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Pacman wrote on 01-11-2013 02:03 PM

You earn bitcoins for validating the transactions of others.

Since there's no central authority making the transactions (they're peer-to-peer) there has to be a way of somehow validating the transfer of bitcoins from one person to another. This is done by some headfuck cryptographic voodoo that takes a massive amount of computing power to solve. By providing processing power to crunch all the crypto required to validate a transaction you earn some cash for yourself.

It's quite an elegant system. There's a strong incentive for people to validate transactions, and it means the currency is linked to a real-world resource (computation).



Isn't it some kind of odd thing like having to use certain hardware confiugurations to run calculations over time, and you can do it in syndicates and stuff... but the chances of actually finding coins is tiny so not worth buying the hardware unless you already own it or whatever..?


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voodoobass wrote on 01-11-2013 06:05 PM

Isn't it some kind of odd thing like having to use certain hardware confiugurations to run calculations over time, and you can do it in syndicates and stuff... but the chances of actually finding coins is tiny so not worth buying the hardware unless you already own it or whatever..?



Yep, unlocking a new bitcoin gets harder over time, so the hardware you need to be using has to get more and more efficient to make it worth the cost of the electricity and the hardware.

Used to be you could do it on a regular PC, but then loads of folks got in and gobbled them up. Next step was using graphics cards (they're optimised for hardcore maths). Now you need to be using an ASIC (Application Specific Integrated Circuit). That's custom silicon that's been optimised just for bitcoin mining.

You can spend as much as you like. AFAIK it's still economical even with the wee £170 units, but they'll get obsolete soon enough.

You can join a pool, but you'll still only get as much money out as the amount of work you do. It just means you get paid more regularly instead of only once in a while as if you were mining on your own.




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i still don't get how mining (in bitcoin terms) works




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It's useful as a currency that isn't controlled by any one agency, so it'll continue to be used online for shifty stuff. It's usefulness for other stuff is limited because:

It's too volatile to be useful for Serious Business™. We already have a de facto single currency, the US dollar. But no country is going to align it's own currency to Bitcoin in times of trouble, because it's too flaky.



It's use for shifty stuff does give it a bad reputation, which is a shame as I think it does have potential.

Is there a chance the currency could stablise?



No, it's not tied to any legitimate tangible commodity the way that other currencies are.

Saying that though, Sterling's economical strength comes from a mostly service based economic contributor nowadays, however it still has primary and secondary roots to tangible assets (Oil from BP, Gas from NS) etc, highly skilled engineering from RR Trent, Airbus Industrie et al.

Bitcoin, has none of that, just a fancy algorithm to mask its users and prevent easy generation of them, which means it will always be used for 'shady purposes'.

Bitcoin's will continue to increase with an inflated valuation because of its black market inflation until a) regulation is enforced or b) alternative online currencies come about to compete with it, creating a digital currency FX market.

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the picture is really cool !
but I got lost in the mining bit too - does someone understand how the transaction block, the hash value & the nonce are exactly related?

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the picture is really cool !
but I got lost in the mining bit too - does someone understand how the transaction block, the hash value & the nonce are exactly related?



An address is the original string the keys are generated from.

A nonce is just a salt string (additional input value) to add extra security to each generated hash - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography)

Each new unique hash created is created with a random salt string everytime, but from the previous hash value.

The cryptographic algorithm can be reversed to tell what every value was in the history of how the current value was created, but only if you know the algorithm, which is yet to be broken.

Mining coins works by guessing correct values for coins (kind of like guessing a fixed set of 6 lottery numbers you don't know, with enough computing power you'll get it eventually but with bitcoin the possibilities are an infinitely larger pool of possible numbers and once you've guessed one it's only one valid coin, so you move on, you 'mine').

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it kind of sounds like stealing lol


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Funboy Trev wrote on 05-11-2013 10:21 AM

it kind of sounds like stealing lol



Bitcoin mining? Technically it would probably be deemed as fraud if it was a regulated tangible currency, but it's hard to steal something that doesn't technically exist, right now it's more like panning for gold Laughs out loud

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