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Centurian

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[Edited by Centurian on 03-11-2009 21:09 PM]

[Edited by Centurian on 03-11-2009 21:10 PM]

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Midas wrote on 03-11-2009 08:57 PM

Honour, dignity, and respect - for a woman it boils down to her virginity.





So you're saying that an 11 year old school girl has more honour, dignity and respect, than say, a head mistress school teacher who is an unmarried mother, but has teached and disciplined thousands of kids and had played an important role in helping them become very talented and influencial individuals; simply because the school girl has not lost her virginity?


Please, midas, go and look up respect in the dictionary and come back when you have a better understanding, because right now you're making yourself look extremely shallow and dimly lit.

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Centurian wrote on 03-11-2009 09:09 PM

So you're saying that an 11 year old school girl has more honour, dignity and respect, than say, a head mistress school teacher who is an unmarried mother, but has teached and disciplined thousands of kids and had played an important role in helping them become very talented and influencial individuals; simply because the school girl has not lost her virginity?


Please, midas, go and look up respect in the dictionary and come back when you have a better understanding, because right now you're making yourself look extremely shallow and dimly lit.



You haven't answered the question, would you respect a slut?


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NeonBlue wrote on 03-11-2009 09:01 PM

Although there are advantages in terms of experience and therefore pleasure I don't really like the idea of a partner sleeping with many men before me.



If men are honest with themselves then they'd agree with you too [I do].

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I can basically deal with the scenario I described before, I think that number of partners or maybe a little higher is perfectly reasonable.



For you perhaps, but for me it's one too many.





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Midas wrote on 03-11-2009 09:14 PM

You haven't answered the question, would you respect a slut?



Actually, yes i'd lose respect for someone if i found out they did line-ups for bundy and coke (for eg), but there may be 101 other reasons why i would respect them.



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I know the focus here is on how women are treated, but you mention respect for women reduces when they are known to have had sex before marriage...
My question is...what happens to the man/men who must clearly be having sex outside of marriage (or their own existing marriage) to put the woman in this unenviable situation... how are they viewed?
I have the feeling that, like in many cultures, the man is somehow made more manly by these endeavours while the woman becomes less.
Strange that, while the woman is instrumental in the mans achievement of manliness, her own value is diminised....

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Lingchong wrote on 03-11-2009 09:24 PM

I know the focus here is on how women are treated, but you mention respect for women reduces when they are known to have had sex before marriage...
My question is...what happens to the man/men who must clearly be having sex outside of marriage (or their own existing marriage) to put the woman in this unenviable situation... how are they viewed?
I have the feeling that, like in many cultures, the man is somehow made more manly by these endeavours while the woman becomes less.
Strange that, while the woman is instrumental in the mans achievement of manliness, her own value is diminised....



To some, yes, others, no.

We all have the right to choose who we sleep with and when. What anyone else thinks is bollocks if you ask me.

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Lingchong wrote on 03-11-2009 09:24 PM

I know the focus here is on how women are treated, but you mention respect for women reduces when they are known to have had sex before marriage...
My question is...what happens to the man/men who must clearly be having sex outside of marriage (or their own existing marriage) to put the woman in this unenviable situation... how are they viewed?
I have the feeling that, like in many cultures, the man is somehow made more manly by these endeavours while the woman becomes less.
Strange that, while the woman is instrumental in the mans achievement of manliness, her own value is diminised....



Women's values are not diminished in Islamic/Pakistani culture at all. It's a woman that makes a house a home; she is the nucleus of the family, thus why it's important she is pure.

As for men, well they are fucked up too, there's no denying it. The point here is if everyone should be playing their role in the universe. However. from what I have witnessed, in the Western world, the responsibility of the a man an woman are considered equal. This is wholly incorrect given it's ramifications on modern Western society. Equality is one thing, responsibility is another.

Why has the UK lost family values? It's because the woman is no longer at home. This I believe is the brutal truth yet weakness of Western civilisation.

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Cultures are very strange and while Midas is extolling the virtues of cultures that hold virginity as a very precious commodity, there doesn't appear to be any mention in the first post that men are in anyway responsible for, instrumental in or contributory factors in these womens fall from grace.
While the sanctity of a woman's virginity is important, conversely, so is the reputation of a man to be good in bed, to please his wife, to teach her etc. etc. How does he hope to acheive that level of expertise... is that what the lower castes are for? or the gentiles? or the postitutes (depending on where you live, your religion, your culture)?

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