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Matt
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2016 | Honourable Mention
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| Coops wrote on 11-05-2016 10:20 AM
A reformed EU would win.
I suspect that we will be leaving, I really hope that we don't.
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Cameron's "reforms" are pitiful, and until they are written into a new EU treaty, I don't think they're worth the hot air he is spouting.
Recent treaties clearly state an aim of the EU is for "ever closer union". It's obvious this is necessary if the euro is to survive. Like the USA, the EU needs a central government to make and control federal policy like banking, taxation, the military, international policy, trade agreements, federal law enforcement etc. etc. leaving member states to control minor things.
What happens if a state disagreed with the federal government? Just look at the mess the US is in with laws on marijuana, many states have legalised it but according to federal law it's still illegal. One of the upshots of this is that merchants can't have bank accounts for their businesses.
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Staggo
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[Edited by Staggo on 12-05-2016 15:17 PM] Quote:
| Matt wrote on 12-05-2016 02:43 PM
Cameron's "reforms" are pitiful, and until they are written into a new EU treaty, I don't think they're worth the hot air he is spouting.
Recent treaties clearly state an aim of the EU is for "ever closer union". It's obvious this is necessary if the euro is to survive. Like the USA, the EU needs a central government to make and control federal policy like banking, taxation, the military, international policy, trade agreements, federal law enforcement etc. etc. leaving member states to control minor things.
What happens if a state disagreed with the federal government? Just look at the mess the US is in with laws on marijuana, many states have legalised it but according to federal law it's still illegal. One of the upshots of this is that merchants can't have bank accounts for their businesses.
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I agree, but I also don't feel that anyone else would have got a better deal.
It is in the interests of many EU nations for the status quo to remain as is so why give away the concessions that they benefit most strongly from.
I think the EU has gotten too big, there are too many countries voices now , it'll end up like Eurovision with blocs of countries all voting the same way to ensure that they & their cohorts benefit at the expense of others.
Just as they did while Cameron was trying to get his deal, the Poles & Czechs were the main objectors to giving changes.
Suffering from a small case of mood poisoning, must be something I hate.
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