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| Latex Zebra wrote on 19-10-2017 04:13 PM
Hold on. This is recording in person...
There must be laws, you have to have signs up to say there is CCTV in shops. I think the only people that get away with it are local authorities.
We had a, erm... challenging customer come in and whilst hurling racist abuse at one of my mates started filming us with their phone.
My mate wanted to grab the phone, smash it and then beat the person up, they became understandably irrate... I could relate... When the police arrived they made the person delete the videos right away.
Think about it, a little bit of savvy and some good editing and you're posting a video of a council officer ranting and raving at a member of the public all over social media.
Council recordings have to follow protocols so can't be edited... (Though clearly transcripts are well dodgy.) Any council CCTV is usually silent, especially in the civic centre... Only a master cinematographer would be able to notice differences (from editing) a phone video and the CCTV... A very dangerous position to be in. Council staff would have no protection from malicious individuals.
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This is more worrying, the police have no right to delete videos, nor to force anyone to delete them, although I'm sure they could bring pressure to bear - "if you delete we'll leave it at that; if not, we'll nick you and consider charging you with breach of the peace"
In any case, deleting files from a phone is a nonsense - it's trivial to recover them, with almost 100% success rate if you know what you're doing.
Edited videos are fairly easy to spot and I'm sure all sorts of charges would result.
I do agree that transcripts have the potential to be dodgy, but if they're backed up with a recording, especially if the council has one as well, then they should be confirmed.
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| Matt wrote on 19-10-2017 05:06 PM
This is more worrying, the police have no right to delete videos, nor to force anyone to delete them, although I'm sure they could bring pressure to bear - "if you delete we'll leave it at that; if not, we'll nick you and consider charging you with breach of the peace"
In any case, deleting files from a phone is a nonsense - it's trivial to recover them, with almost 100% success rate if you know what you're doing.
Edited videos are fairly easy to spot and I'm sure all sorts of charges would result.
I do agree that transcripts have the potential to be dodgy, but if they're backed up with a recording, especially if the council has one as well, then they should be confirmed.
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From what I understand it wasn't forcible. They reasoned with the suspect after being played the video. Something along the lines of it makes you look worse than it does them and is it really the sort of thing you wont to post up on Facebook or something.
It's a fine line. You can say "oh we don't want the police having that control" but do you also just want to appear on a strangers Facebook wall (for example) being portrayed, most likely out of context?
It's not something I've ever agreed to as a council worker.
I honestly have no problems being verbally recorded... I am when I am on the phones anyway. Visually no. That's a different ball game entirely IMO.
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Yeah, quick search suggests council buildings are private:
http://www.theiac.org.uk/resourcesnew/filming-in-public/filming-in-public.html
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Technically, all of Britain is owned by somebody. Owners may be private individuals, companies, organisations or the Queen (e.g. a "public park" is probably owned by the local town council.) Any of those landlords can, and often will, impose limits on photography or film making as they wish. Mostly these landlords will not restrict non-commercial photography, but commercial work often requires permission and sometimes payment. A licence or permit may be required if you are filming an event where the organisers’ and/or the owner’s permission is needed. In practice, taking pictures from the public highway or many places generally accessible to the public is unlikely to be challenged. Council owned parks and buildings, transport stations, church property, shopping malls, theatres, stadiums and the like usually do enforce restrictions. Filming on public transport is the same as on private land; you do need the owners’ or operators’ consent. Network Rail has released guidelines, as have many of the train and bus operators. Network Rail Guidance. |
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But, an exception is made for council meetings where you can record:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/343182/140812_Openness_Guide.pdf
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Transparency and openness should be the fundamental principle behind everything councils and other local government bodies do, and new rights have now been introduced by the Openness of Local Government Bodies 2014, which will enable members of the public to know how decisions are made.
These rights allow members of the public including citizens and professional journalists to:
* use modern technology and communication methods such as filming, audio-recording, blogging and tweeting to report the proceedings of the meetings of their councils and other local government bodies
* see information relating to significant decisions made outside meetings by officers acting under a general or specific delegated power.
This guide provides practical information that will help the public to exercise their new rights under the Regulations, and what they should expect from their councils and other local government bodies. It also replaces the guide Your council’s cabinet: going to its meetings, seeing how it works. |
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