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Quin. wrote on 18-10-2017 02:28 PM

So the debate about the EU withdrawal bill has been shelved to stop it being voted down as a large number of amendments have been put in by MPs, now this is all theoretical BUT if they didn't manage to get the EU withdrawal bill through government AND we crashed out of the EU in 2019 without the withdrawal bill wouldn't that mean that technically we have no laws?



I don't think so...

The withdrawal bill repeals the European Communities Act 1972 which enshrines EU law into UK law so we'd still be under EU law.

But. Would that mean we haven't left the EU?

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The European Communities Act 1972 (c. 68) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which legislated for the accession of the United Kingdom to the European Communities (EC) – the collective term for the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), the European Economic Community (EEC) (also known at the time as the "Common Market") and the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC) (also known as Euratom) – through the Treaty of Accession which was signed by then Conservative Prime Minister Edward Heath and the then President of the European Commission Franco Maria Malfatti on 22 January 1972 in Brussels. All three of these institutions would later form part of what is now known as the European Union.

The act also legislated for the incorporation of European Union law (then Community law) along with the jurisdiction and judgements from the European Court of Justice into the domestic law of the United Kingdom, and is binding on all legislation passed by the devolved administrations in the Northern Ireland Assembly, the Scottish Parliament and the National Assembly for Wales. It was the most significant Act of Parliament to be passed by the Heath government of 1970-74 and is one of the most significant constitutional pieces of legislation ever passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

The act is significantly amended from its original form as it also incorporates through amending Acts of Parliament the Single European Act, the Maastricht Treaty which formed the European Union, the Amsterdam Treaty, the Nice Treaty, and most recently the Treaty of Lisbon, into the domestic law of the United Kingdom.



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Quin. wrote on 18-10-2017 02:28 PM

So the debate about the EU withdrawal bill has been shelved to stop it being voted down as a large number of amendments have been put in by MPs, now this is all theoretical BUT if they didn't manage to get the EU withdrawal bill through government AND we crashed out of the EU in 2019 without the withdrawal bill wouldn't that mean that technically we have no laws?



I don't think so...

The withdrawal bill repeals the European Communities Act 1972 which enshrines EU law into UK law so we'd still be under EU law.

But. Would that mean we haven't left the EU?

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The European Communities Act 1972 (c. 68) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which legislated for the accession of the United Kingdom to the European Communities (EC) – the collective term for the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), the European Economic Community (EEC) (also known at the time as the "Common Market") and the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC) (also known as Euratom) – through the Treaty of Accession which was signed by then Conservative Prime Minister Edward Heath and the then President of the European Commission Franco Maria Malfatti on 22 January 1972 in Brussels. All three of these institutions would later form part of what is now known as the European Union.

The act also legislated for the incorporation of European Union law (then Community law) along with the jurisdiction and judgements from the European Court of Justice into the domestic law of the United Kingdom, and is binding on all legislation passed by the devolved administrations in the Northern Ireland Assembly, the Scottish Parliament and the National Assembly for Wales. It was the most significant Act of Parliament to be passed by the Heath government of 1970-74 and is one of the most significant constitutional pieces of legislation ever passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

The act is significantly amended from its original form as it also incorporates through amending Acts of Parliament the Single European Act, the Maastricht Treaty which formed the European Union, the Amsterdam Treaty, the Nice Treaty, and most recently the Treaty of Lisbon, into the domestic law of the United Kingdom.





hmm, maybe?

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hmm, maybe?



Maybe we'd be out of the EU in their eyes, no participation or voting rights, but still bound by EU law and directives Scratches Chin

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Maybe we'd be out of the EU in their eyes, no participation or voting rights, but still bound by EU law and directives Scratches Chin



but then if someone was to break that law would the ECJ enforce the law upon them?

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Quin. wrote on 18-10-2017 05:23 PM

but then if someone was to break that law would the ECJ enforce the law upon them?



No, it would be the UK legal system enforcing UK law which incorporates EU law.

But anyone wanting to appeal could still go to the ECJ as the ultimate legal arbitrator.

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Quin. wrote on 18-10-2017 05:23 PM

but then if someone was to break that law would the ECJ enforce the law upon them?



No, it would be the UK legal system enforcing UK law which incorporates EU law.

But anyone wanting to appeal could still go to the ECJ as the ultimate legal arbitrator.



Lol, thats fucked up.

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Quin. wrote on 19-10-2017 10:24 AM

Lol, thats fucked up.



Lol, that's how it works now Wink



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