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Reverse Swing wrote on 24-10-2016 07:56 PM

I got news for you, MPs should be fulfilling the will of the people, and not their own agendas, meaning, Democracy is the biggest mandate. As for having a different leader, we live in a Parliament democracy where our elected MPs choose a leader, which is a sure lot better than the 5 EU leaders that are truly un-elected by every stretch of the imagination that practically rule the EU – the irony.



I was just having some fun. Bragging rights and all. If you noticed I called myself a ‘Brexorcist’. Don’t take it too personally. If you perceive my comments as an insult then I really am lost for words.



Campaigns were misleading? How?

In a true democracy the most number of votes wins. This is what the UK (and Western world) take pride in, Democracy. Whether slim majority, or a land slide, Leave won and the UK is pulling out of the EU. Accept this fact and move on.

Speaking of which, if a Football match in the EPL ends in a draw, should there be a rematch? Forget a slim margin, there is no margin!



I understand how the electoral system works, but I also think that it is flawed. The tories didn't get voted in with May in charge of us leaving the European Union. The vote to leave didn't give any indication as to the manner in which we would do so and how our relationship with the EU would look after.

Do you really think that the campaigns were not misleading?
I am amazed, still I guess you will be looking forward to the £350 billion we will now be spending on the NHS.




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There was plenty of lies from both sides,more so the Remain campaign with their backup of USA bank funds and their constant onslaught of doom and gloom.The EU is in no great shape,most countries are still getting over the 2008 recession,unemployment levels are very high,in Greece 23% even France has 11%,the Italian banks are practically bankrupt as is Deutch Bank.
The leavers as we are told were generally older voters who were well aware of what they were voting for and have seen the sh**t hit the fan on more occasions than I care to mention.Most of the Remainers were the young still likely influenced by their lecturers,teachers and peer pressure,or they were Londoners dependant on the flawed casino banking system or they were Scottish who would prefur to be ruled by an undemocratic EU parliament than connected to the UK.

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5709 wrote on 24-10-2016 08:14 PM

F*****g muppet.

Hot religious air.

Nothing else.

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You are the only person talking religion. Stop being a fucking bigot.

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Coops wrote on 24-10-2016 10:37 PM

I understand how the electoral system works, but I also think that it is flawed. The tories didn't get voted in with May in charge of us leaving the European Union. The vote to leave didn't give any indication as to the manner in which we would do so and how our relationship with the EU would look after.



Why would the Government admit there was a plan for Brexit before the vote? It would've decimated Remain chances because it would've looked like the Government was preparing for a Brexit.

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Do you really think that the campaigns were not misleading?
I am amazed, still I guess you will be looking forward to the £350 billion we will now be spending on the NHS.



All political campaigns are misleading, that’s Politics for you. To suggest the Leave campaign were lying exclusively is misleading itself. Politicians lie and spin – this is hardly news. Remain were lying too.

It was £350 Million not Billion, and no doubt the NHS will receive an injection of cash in the future, but you know what, if you feel that one NHS lie swung it for Leave, then you were not following the campaign. Leave was leading in a number of polls BEFORE the NHS claim.

Anyway, if the NHS is so important and influential to the electorate, then Labour should be in power considering they thrust the NHS in every Election campaign but still end up losing.


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Reverse Swing wrote on 24-10-2016 08:45 PM

Yes Aaron, leader of the Children of Israel, brother of Moses, as hard as it is to believe, White Anglo Saxons have caused more damaged, bloodshed, and harm to the UK than any other non-white folk, religious or not religious.

Thank Islam, bow to your ONE God, for it was not for the FEAR of Islam in the UK in the past decade, the impetus behind the Leave campaign would not exist.



He's not my god Ziad, he is a made up thingy for some illiterate schizophrenic nonce who lived in a desert 1100 years ago, peace be upon him.

And it was immigration that brought success in the referendum, not a 'fear' (lol) of islam.




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Reverse Swing wrote on 25-10-2016 10:18 AM

Why would the Government admit there was a plan for Brexit before the vote? It would've decimated Remain chances because it would've looked like the Government was preparing for a Brexit.



All political campaigns are misleading, that’s Politics for you. To suggest the Leave campaign were lying exclusively is misleading itself. Politicians lie and spin – this is hardly news. Remain were lying too.

It was £350 Million not Billion, and no doubt the NHS will receive an injection of cash in the future, but you know what, if you feel that one NHS lie swung it for Leave, then you were not following the campaign. Leave was leading in a number of polls BEFORE the NHS claim.

Anyway, if the NHS is so important and influential to the electorate, then Labour should be in power considering they thrust the NHS in every Election campaign but still end up losing.



Do you think they had a plan?
I don't think they thought the country would vote to leave. They have no plan, they didn't get voted in on a manifesto regarding the manner of brexit and they didn't get voted in with May as leader.
We are leaving, a slim majority has voted for it. But I bet a lot of people have very different ideas on what exactly Brexit should look like. This should be put to the people.

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Reverse Swing wrote on 25-10-2016 10:18 AM

. Leave was leading in a number of polls BEFORE the NHS claim.

Anyway, if the NHS is so important and influential to the electorate, then Labour should be in power considering they thrust the NHS in every Election campaign but still end up losing.



The 350 million claim had very little to do with the Brexit vote.Most leavers,were older know their own mind and made it up along time ago.It was keeping to that decision which was hard with the onslaught of doom and gloom news from the Remain campaign before the referendum.

The Remainers were most likely um and arghing to the last minute.

The fact is we contribute 350 million a week and get some back from the EU if we are lucky and they are feeling benevolent enough and the net figure maybe less.

Its unlikely the EU will remain the happy clappy socialist utopia (if it ever was) that many imagine it was.The extreme right parties are gaining plenty of ground in all the EU countries and will be more interested in their own countries than the EU as a whole.

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PAG wrote on 25-10-2016 09:01 AM

There was plenty of lies from both sides,more so the Remain campaign with their backup of USA bank funds and their constant onslaught of doom and gloom.The EU is in no great shape,most countries are still getting over the 2008 recession,unemployment levels are very high,in Greece 23% even France has 11%,the Italian banks are practically bankrupt as is Deutch Bank.
The leavers as we are told were generally older voters who were well aware of what they were voting for and have seen the sh**t hit the fan on more occasions than I care to mention.Most of the Remainers were the young still likely influenced by their lecturers,teachers and peer pressure,or they were Londoners dependant on the flawed casino banking system or they were Scottish who would prefur to be ruled by an undemocratic EU parliament than connected to the UK.



Yup, I pretty much agree with this analysis. The younger people have not known life before we joined the EU and so as a result resent what they see as an attack, taking away their freedom of travel etc. TBH I agree with this viewpoint, I do like being able to travel freely around Europe etc but that is basically one of very few advantages with the whole Europe package. However I could see at the time of the referendu, that voting to leave is devolving power from the EU - great - but delivering it squarely into the hands of the Tories and nobody else, and I know for a fact that they are going to handle everything from a neoliberal point of view and that they might promise much for the common man but the common man will be worse off if anything. However, I don't like the status quo either so didn't feel like I could support 'Remain' either especially as they couldn't promise anything good by choosing to support 'remain' only threaten with what horrible shit might happen if I chose 'Leave'.

If they had put some kind of clear framework in place for what might happen in the event of a 'Leave' vote i.e. create an all-party coalition tasked with steering the bureacratic side of leaving and doing all the research etc to make everything as smooth as possible; but there was nothing in place so it was fairly clear that it's giving carte blanche to Conservatives to do everything in a way that suits them.


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