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Latex Zebra wrote on 20-09-2017 01:39 PM
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Quin. wrote on 20-09-2017 01:28 PM
I don't think there are more people wanting to be nonces, merely that the whole thing with the world getting smaller and the growth of the internet makes it easier for predators to get to children without responsible adults noticing them, i guess back in our childhood it was more vans and puppies that parents could more easily try to keep their kids away from rather than chatrooms and fake profiles.
It's weird isn't it. I mean we all go by experiences and stuff.
I remember some guy wanking off in front of me in a public toilet when I was a kid. Being flashed in a park etc... This happened to my friends too. It genuinely seemed like a massive problem and a kid not coming home on time (pre mobile phones) was a massive fucking worry.
Now as a parent I haven't met any other parents who give an example of their kids being groomed. It has never happened to my daughter or her friends.
I am not suggesting for one minute that it is not happening more or less. It is just a thing that is a constant threat to me.
The same internet that now gives these people a new avenue is also the same internet that spreads (so help me) fake news or is full of click bait for worried parents... especially newer parents.
I know it is moving away from the original topic but I dislike sensationalism as a method of drawing people in.
This is something I may do a little research on, carefully. But actual figures of reported cases of child abuse over the last 3-4 decades, crime rates, missing children etc.
Whilst I'd always expect to see an increase decade on decade, populations grow after all. I'm interested in seeing if it is a huge jump up or a kind of predictable rise. I'm sure someone has probably done this research for me.
Valid points all of them.
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Latex Zebra wrote on 20-09-2017 01:39 PM
It's weird isn't it. I mean we all go by experiences and stuff.
I remember some guy wanking off in front of me in a public toilet when I was a kid. Being flashed in a park etc... This happened to my friends too. It genuinely seemed like a massive problem and a kid not coming home on time (pre mobile phones) was a massive fucking worry.
Now as a parent I haven't met any other parents who give an example of their kids being groomed. It has never happened to my daughter or her friends.
I am not suggesting for one minute that it is not happening more or less. It is just a thing that is a constant threat to me.
The same internet that now gives these people a new avenue is also the same internet that spreads (so help me) fake news or is full of click bait for worried parents... especially newer parents.
I know it is moving away from the original topic but I dislike sensationalism as a method of drawing people in.
This is something I may do a little research on, carefully. But actual figures of reported cases of child abuse over the last 3-4 decades, crime rates, missing children etc.
Whilst I'd always expect to see an increase decade on decade, populations grow after all. I'm interested in seeing if it is a huge jump up or a kind of predictable rise. I'm sure someone has probably done this research for me.
What you say rings true. I guess with these groups popping up it seems bad but then again, I never really looked into it or took notice before Scarlett was born. Seems bad in the way that its more readily available and 'advertised' a lot more.
Bottom line, these groups have made me aware to the problem and when Scarlett gets a bit older I will do whatever I can to ensure she is safe and just honest with us about what she is up to. These predators play on abused and vulnerable children that come from bad homes/backgrounds so will do whatever we physically can to ensure she has our trust and will come to us immediately should something like this happen. I guess its a fine line between being a friend and parental figure, something you have obvioulsy mastered and something I will need to find out as time goes on.
Its scary dude and yes, I totally understand its always been an issue but all these groups saying the same thing that its getting worse and worse, well yeah, I totally believe them especially knowing how much limited resource the police actually have.
Glad to hear you are going to look into it more and apologies if I havent done the best job at convincing you but honestly man, it comes across pretty serious and I do believe its happening more and more with the rise in social media and how easy it is for a predator to groom a child from their phone
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ceekay wrote on 20-09-2017 02:01 PM
See, I don't think people should be approached in a shopping mall as this could actually traumatise bystanders. Haven't see it obviously but really don't think public places are teh way forward.
Ah man, these predators try to meet decoys in rail stations, outside pubs, parks... all very public places. Its not the hunters setting up the meets, they just play along with the predator and go with what they are saying, Bare in mind, they are pretending to be innocent 12/13/14 year olds and need to ensure they predator doesnt clock that they are a decoy
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skaramanga wrote on 20-09-2017 02:10 PM
Ah man, these predators try to meet decoys in rail stations, outside pubs, parks... all very public places. Its not the hunters setting up the meets, they just play along with the predator and go with what they are saying, Bare in mind, they are pretending to be innocent 12/13/14 year olds and need to ensure they predator doesnt clock that they are a decoy
Which is a form of entrapment - hence me saying they need to tread really carefully as they could end up committing a crime themselves. Posing as [a kid] is also a form of fraud and this could end up getting them jail time instead of taking a paedo off the streets.
Anyway, this is becoming circular now and I need to crack on with some actual work
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I don't think there are more people wanting to be nonces, merely that the whole thing with the world getting smaller and the growth of the internet makes it easier for predators to get to children without responsible adults noticing them, i guess back in our childhood it was more vans and puppies that parents could more easily try to keep their kids away from rather than chatrooms and fake profiles.
Back in my day it was priests, choirmasters, scout leaders, teachers, MPs, bosses, family members... In fact people from virtually every walk of life.
Men in vans with puppies were the stuff of newspaper headlines, one boy went missing near Chessington in the 70s or 80s and was never seen again.
The rest went unreported and adults didn't tend to believe their kid's tales. When we got into trouble at school or with the police, we'd be likely to get another telling off (or beating) from your parents.
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Matt wrote on 20-09-2017 02:41 PM
Back in my day it was [b]priests, choirmasters, scout leaders, teachers, MPs, bosses, family members[b]... In fact people from virtually every walk of life.
Men in vans with puppies were the stuff of newspaper headlines, one boy went missing near Chessington in the 70s or 80s and was never seen again.
The rest went unreported and adults didn't tend to believe their kid's tales. When we got into trouble at school or with the police, we'd be likely to get another telling off (or beating) from your parents.
People in positions of trust that you'd normally not have a problem with your kids being around.
Although bosses is an odd one.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those that could not hear the music -Nietzsche
People in positions of trust that you'd normally not have a problem with your kids being around.
Although bosses is an odd one.
Yep, and typically kids weren't believed, although I'm surprised at that now the extent of the abuse is better known and I presume parents experienced the same thing.
Most kids had Saturday and holiday jobs, I started when I was 13 and worked for two predatory bosses and knew of others.
Remember Uncle Ernie in Tommy?
It was rife, in fact given all the scandals which have surfaced, I'd say more prevalent than today.
Latex Zebra Yeah, something is probably happening somewhere.
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skaramanga wrote on 20-09-2017 02:08 PM
What you say rings true. I guess with these groups popping up it seems bad but then again, I never really looked into it or took notice before Scarlett was born. Seems bad in the way that its more readily available and 'advertised' a lot more.
Bottom line, these groups have made me aware to the problem and when Scarlett gets a bit older I will do whatever I can to ensure she is safe and just honest with us about what she is up to. These predators play on abused and vulnerable children that come from bad homes/backgrounds so will do whatever we physically can to ensure she has our trust and will come to us immediately should something like this happen. I guess its a fine line between being a friend and parental figure, something you have obvioulsy mastered and something I will need to find out as time goes on.
Its scary dude and yes, I totally understand its always been an issue but all these groups saying the same thing that its getting worse and worse, well yeah, I totally believe them especially knowing how much limited resource the police actually have.
Glad to hear you are going to look into it more and apologies if I havent done the best job at convincing you but honestly man, it comes across pretty serious and I do believe its happening more and more with the rise in social media and how easy it is for a predator to groom a child from their phone
With all due respect mate. My daughter is 13 and would be seen as a prime target. I know exactly what the risks are etc.
We're careful with her social media stuff. We make sure we know the friends she are meeting are real friends. Recently a girl she had got to know from Instagram ,who was from Sweden said she was coming over and wanted to meet up. What was great was that both her father and I wanted to speak to each other first and also be at the meeting place, despite both coming from different countries, our mindset for safety is the same. The girls met up, the Dad and I went for a coffee and it was all good. It just took a bit of parental effort.
Whilst I appreciate this kind of mob effort, and that is what I see it as, is clearly apprehending people. It is still the role of the parent to educate their children to what is out there. These parents giving their kids Smartphones at 6 years old are also not helping. If they're that lazy a parent they're happy for their kid to be glued to a smartphone at that age they are too lazy to likely monitor it as well. These will be the parents that eventually find out something is amiss and then get a group involved.
If I did find someone was trying to groom Kira I'd take control of the account myself, see what I could get that was incriminating and go to the police first before even considering anything else.
Much as these people are vile etc. I am not of the thinking we should be beating them up or executing them etc. No more than I do for rapists or murderers. I want stuff to be done within the law before Batman gets involved.
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