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Zem
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[Edited by Zem on 25-06-2014 07:26 AM]

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Hanky wrote on 24-06-2014 10:04 PM

They won't sack him. There is still the fact that he has the series against India to contend. He has also said he won't resign. I am a huge fan of Cook, but his captaincy is shocking and his contributions with the bat have been f*****g disastrous. I have been following the England cricket team for a long time, and this is the worst defeat I have ever seen.



I still back him, I believe he has the grit and determination to do it, he is a very hard worker. Out of the current players he is still the best chose, if there was an obvious replacement I may feel differently.

I wish he hadn't asked for a crack down on criticism (although its not hard to see why he did) and I REALLY wish he'd drop down the order, maybe swap with Bell, to give himself a buffer zone after fielding.

I'm a bit surprised you say it's the worst defeat you've seen, I can only assume you mean in terms of the fact we should have won, or that you've simply blocked out the 90's ;-) I thought there were a lot of brilliant performances with both the bat and the ball, the batting is SO much better that it was over the winter. For a newly formed team coming off a horrible year, I thought it was a pretty promising, but yes, ultimately disappointing performance.

Edit: That said I'm not looking forward to the India games at all!! Laughs out loud Nervous



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I didn't expect England to bat for too long, but credit to Ali and Anderson for hanging on for as long as they could. It was a nail biter till the end and proves Test cricket is the ultimate sport.

The real question is how and why did Captain Cook let Sri Lanka score more than 400 runs in the second innings. 8th Wicket partnership of 140 odd runs was a slap in the face of Cook's tactics and strategy.

Odds of India beating England at home have just dropped.

Only England [and Pakistan for that matter] have a habit of making lullo players like Herath into world class performers.


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Reverse Swing wrote on 24-06-2014 12:53 PM

Cook' days are numbered.

I just cannot see England bat it out for two sessions and play for the draw.

New ball will be due soon too.





They won't sack him. There is still the fact that he has the series against India to contend. He has also said he won't resign. I am a huge fan of Cook, but his captaincy is shocking and his contributions with the bat have been f*****g disastrous. I have been following the England cricket team for a long time, and this is the worst defeat I have ever seen.



The pressure of captaincy has certainly affected Cook's mindset. He is averaging 23 in the last 16 Tests.

This isn’t anything new, plenty of gun players who turn captain, see a drop in their performance. [Tendulkar and Lara as examples]. Only a few can handle the pressure of captaincy and performance. [Waugh, Khan, Sobers et al]

Cook should reliquish his captaincy, but continue as an opener and aim to break Tendulkar's records [as he was enroute before his captaincy]





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England have dropped from 3rd to 5th in the ICC Test Rankings.

Good job ECB didn't push for the split Test League.

ICC Test Championship Rankings as of 24 June 2014

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The pressure of captaincy has certainly affected Cook's mindset. He is averaging 23 in the last 16 Tests.

This isn’t anything new, plenty of gun players who turn captain, see a drop in their performance. [Tendulkar and Lara as examples]. Only a few can handle the pressure of captaincy and performance. [Waugh, Khan, Sobers et al]

Cook should reliquish his captaincy, but continue as an opener and aim to break Tendulkar's records [as he was enroute before his captaincy]



Out of intrest who would you want as captain if Cook resigned?

This is my main issue with people calling for him to step down, as imo there isn't anyone currently in the team that could do any better.


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Out of intrest who would you want as captain if Cook resigned?

This is my main issue with people calling for him to step down, as imo there isn't anyone currently in the team that could do any better.



Stuart Broad.

He has the right type of attitude.

His toilet-break stunt last night is proof of this. Broad gets right up the grill of the opposition, where as Cook plays too much of the mummy daddy game.

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Reverse Swing wrote on 25-06-2014 10:11 AM

I didn't expect England to bat for too long, but credit to Ali and Anderson for hanging on for as long as they could. It was a nail biter till the end and proves Test cricket is the ultimate sport.

The real question is how and why did Captain Cook let Sri Lanka score more than 400 runs in the second innings. 8th Wicket partnership of 140 odd runs was a slap in the face of Cook's tactics and strategy.

Odds of India beating England at home have just dropped.

Only England [and Pakistan for that matter] have a habit of making lullo players like Herath into world class performers.




This is exactly it. Shane Warne labelled his captaincy boring. I'd go further and say that it is both unimaginative and sterile. People are asking who the replacement would be. I would go for Bell, with Broad as vice captain. Cook does not have the tactical nous, and whilst people say that Bell is inexperienced, he has captained Warwickshire many times. As an alternative I think it would be worth going for Joe Root. By all accounts he has an excellent cricketing brain, and whilst some would say he was too young, I would point to Graeme Smith and remember what age he was when he was handed the captaincy.

Zem, you ask me if I remember the team of the nineties. I do, of course, but they were utterly shit. The problem with England is that they are not shit. They are actually quite good, but they are playing appallingly.

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