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HarderFaster Forums >> General Mayhem >> So... Brexit. Author Pages (3):  1  2  [3]      Matt V2.0 Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 17728 - Threads: 847 Location: Surrey 2016 Honourable Mention Party Animal Quote: Latex Zebra wrote on 03-04-2017 02:25 PM I am suprised that, given the weakness of Labour right now, that the Tories haven't capitalised on this. Called another GE in an attempt to tighten their grip on the country. I mean I'm glad they haven't. Yeah, given she and most of her cabinet supposedly supported remain I thought this would have been the perfect opportunity for May to put her foot down on Brexit. Call a GE with watered down Brexit proposals, which in hindsight most remainers and leavers would support. Better still, make that the single issue and secure another 5 years without any other pesky manifesto pledges getting in the way of future policy. I guess we'd have to weigh up the express train of Brexit vs 5 years of Conservative rule Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 03-04-2017 14:37 PM Matt V2.0 Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 17728 - Threads: 847 Location: Surrey 2016 Honourable Mention Party Animal HF's crystal balls Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 18-04-2017 11:14 AM Quin. ??? Registered: Oct 2010 Posts: 33316 - Threads: 426 Location: london Quote: Matt wrote on 03-04-2017 02:37 PM Yeah, given she and most of her cabinet supposedly supported remain I thought this would have been the perfect opportunity for May to put her foot down on Brexit. Call a GE with watered down Brexit proposals, which in hindsight most remainers and leavers would support. Better still, make that the single issue and secure another 5 years without any other pesky manifesto pledges getting in the way of future policy. I guess we'd have to weigh up the express train of Brexit vs 5 years of Conservative rule what will now be 7 years rather than 10. Looking for the positives. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those that could not hear the music -Nietzsche Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 18-04-2017 11:26 AM Matt V2.0 Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 17728 - Threads: 847 Location: Surrey 2016 Honourable Mention Party Animal Quote: Quin. wrote on 18-04-2017 11:26 AM what will now be 7 years rather than 10. Looking for the positives. 7? She's doing a Brown and gambling her 3-year term on winning 5. I'm not sure she's got this one right! Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 18-04-2017 11:48 AM Quin. ??? Registered: Oct 2010 Posts: 33316 - Threads: 426 Location: london Quote: Matt wrote on 18-04-2017 11:48 AM 7? She's doing a Brown and gambling her 3-year term on winning 5. I'm not sure she's got this one right! Personally I don't see us hwinning if we had the same team in 2020 so that means we could have had May until 2025. If we lose this (which we probably will) corbyn will be gone, we'll have a new leader (hopefully someone still to the left) anfd can at least put together a decent opposition in important times. and go for it in 2022 rather than 2025. It may be that the Lib Dems are the largest opposition party though, I'm expecting some interesting voting patterns. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those that could not hear the music -Nietzsche Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 18-04-2017 11:52 AM louloubell Back on the naughty step Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 14578 - Threads: 1031 Location: On my merry go roundabout Quote: Quin. wrote on 18-04-2017 11:52 AM Personally I don't see us hwinning if we had the same team in 2020 so that means we could have had May until 2025. If we lose this (which we probably will) corbyn will be gone, we'll have a new leader (hopefully someone still to the left) anfd can at least put together a decent opposition in important times. and go for it in 2022 rather than 2025. It may be that the Lib Dems are the largest opposition party though, I'm expecting some interesting voting patterns. Isn't the Lib Dem leader a devout christian & homophobic. Karma is a beautiful thing. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-04-2017 15:39 PM Matt V2.0 Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 17728 - Threads: 847 Location: Surrey 2016 Honourable Mention Party Animal Quote: Quin. wrote on 18-04-2017 11:52 AM Personally I don't see us hwinning if we had the same team in 2020 so that means we could have had May until 2025. If we lose this (which we probably will) corbyn will be gone, we'll have a new leader (hopefully someone still to the left) anfd can at least put together a decent opposition in important times. and go for it in 2022 rather than 2025. It may be that the Lib Dems are the largest opposition party though, I'm expecting some interesting voting patterns. True, if Corbyn does as badly as the polls predict then either he'll be gone, or Labour will be dead. Or both. But let's not forget how wrong the polls have been recently - they failed to predict the Conservative win in 2015, or Brexit and Trump in 2016. Sure they weren't quite so wrong, but I'm waiting for a bit of organisation on strategic voting to really shake things up... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/htmlview?usp=embed_facebook&sle=true# I even wondered how May will fare, what if she loses her seat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidenhead_(UK_Parliament_constituency) https://www3.rbwm.gov.uk/info/200131/elections_and_voting/1151/election_results_june_2016 May got 65% with 35,453 votes (turnout 53,855), but Maidenhead had 81,000+ turnout for the EU referendum with 44,000+ voting to remain. That's going to make things very interesting Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-04-2017 16:54 PM Quin. ??? Registered: Oct 2010 Posts: 33316 - Threads: 426 Location: london [Edited by Quin. on 20-04-2017 17:51 PM] Quote: Matt wrote on 20-04-2017 04:54 PM True, if Corbyn does as badly as the polls predict then either he'll be gone, or Labour will be dead. Or both. But let's not forget how wrong the polls have been recently - they failed to predict the Conservative win in 2015, or Brexit and Trump in 2016. Sure they weren't quite so wrong, but I'm waiting for a bit of organisation on strategic voting to really shake things up... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/htmlview?usp=embed_facebook&sle=true# I even wondered how May will fare, what if she loses her seat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidenhead_(UK_Parliament_constituency) https://www3.rbwm.gov.uk/info/200131/elections_and_voting/1151/election_results_june_2016 May got 65% with 35,453 votes (turnout 53,855), but Maidenhead had 81,000+ turnout for the EU referendum with 44,000+ voting to remain. That's going to make things very interesting Actually there is serious chatter that if labour do badly Corbyn will stay on until after conference to push the the McDonnell Amendment to free up the potential of the left even further, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-stay-on-leader-labour-party-general-election-2017-party-conference-a7691911.html One MP told The Independent: "They have to acknowledge that if the result is as bad as the polling and the Copeland by-election result suggest, then they are responsible. I've heard of project fear. This sounds like project catastro-fuck." As for the May thing, that would be VERY interesting, although unlikely, and may even fuck things up for the country further. we are living in implausible times where the ridiculous is likely. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those that could not hear the music -Nietzsche Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-04-2017 17:47 PM All times are GMT. 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