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Matt wrote on 11-07-2017 12:58 PM
Yeah, well, given 80% voted Conservative or Labour at the election and both parties support Brexit, perhaps JoB should take note the overwhelming majority want it.
Personally I doubt that's a true reflection of peoples' voting intention, it's just that local and national issues are the priority at general elections so your vote will always be a compromise. And that's especially true in safe seats like ours, it's a Conservative stronghold so our votes over the past 22 years have never counted.
If only there was a way of representing people more fairly, in some sort of proportional way
I don't think you can actually say the "overwhelming majority" want brexit, it was 52-48 and pretty much every survey (i know of anyhow) since has said the result would go the other way.
Kensington was a safe seat, but you never know. Personally I'm disappointed that labour are pro brexit but the fact of the matter is it would be/ has been thus far politically suicidal to take any other stance as a result of the referendum. I'd love them to be anti-brexit at is patentlky a rediculous idea but unfortunately the british public has an undying taste for rediculous atm.
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I don't think you can actually say the "overwhelming majority" want brexit, it was 52-48 and pretty much every survey (i know of anyhow) since has said the result would go the other way.
Kensington was a safe seat, but you never know. Personally I'm disappointed that labour are pro brexit but the fact of the matter is it would be/ has been thus far politically suicidal to take any other stance as a result of the referendum. I'd love them to be anti-brexit at is patentlky a rediculous idea but unfortunately the british public has an undying taste for rediculous atm.
Yes, the referendum was 52/48 but in the 2017 general election, 42.3% voted Conservative and 40% voted Labour. Both parties support Brexit so in our wonderful and fair democracy that's an 82.3% resounding majority.
Of course I don't believe that people who voted for these parties necessarily support Briext, but given that was one of the key issues, they appear to be giving their support.
That's been the problem with the UK's membership of EU for years, successive governments added manifesto support for this treaty or that but nobody took much notice or voted on that basis so we've been sucked further and further towards the Federal States of Eurpoe.
Kensington was a surprise result for a seat which usually votes 50%+ Conservative, but Esher and Walton is around 65% so an even harder majority to overturn which has never come close so far as I know.
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Matt wrote on 11-07-2017 06:12 PM
Yes, the referendum was 52/48 but in the 2017 general election, 42.3% voted Conservative and 40% voted Labour. Both parties support Brexit so in our wonderful and fair democracy that's an 82.3% resounding majority.
Of course I don't believe that people who voted for these parties necessarily support Briext, but given that was one of the key issues, they appear to be giving their support.
That's been the problem with the UK's membership of EU for years, successive governments added manifesto support for this treaty or that but nobody took much notice or voted on that basis so we've been sucked further and further towards the Federal States of Eurpoe.
Kensington was a surprise result for a seat which usually votes 50%+ Conservative, but Esher and Walton is around 65% so an even harder majority to overturn which has never come close so far as I know.
Not sure if that's a valid argument.
I voted labour and I still think Brexit is a bad idea.
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Registered: Oct 2010 Posts: 33316 - Threads: 426 Location: london
David Davis, the Brexit secretary admitting no-one else is likely to Brexit.
"No other countries will follow Britain in leaving the EU, Brexit Secretary David Davis says, 'I don’t think anybody is likely to follow us down this route'"
No other countries are likely to follow Britain in leaving the European Union, the Brexit Secretary has said.
David Davis said fears from the European Commission that Brexit would start a domino effect of states leaving the union were “without foundation”.
He argued that Britain was “a very different country” to the rest of the EU and suggested that the UK had decided to leave because of its unique “global reach”.
(bollocks, I'd argue Germany's global reach trups ours)
Registered: Aug 2002 Posts: 40942 - Threads: 1198 Location: London
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Quin. wrote on 12-07-2017 10:22 AM
David Davis, the Brexit secretary admitting no-one else is likely to Brexit.
"No other countries will follow Britain in leaving the EU, Brexit Secretary David Davis says, 'I don’t think anybody is likely to follow us down this route'"
No other countries are likely to follow Britain in leaving the European Union, the Brexit Secretary has said.
David Davis said fears from the European Commission that Brexit would start a domino effect of states leaving the union were “without foundation”.
He argued that Britain was “a very different country” to the rest of the EU and suggested that the UK had decided to leave because of its unique “global reach”.
(b*****ks, I'd argue Germany's global reach trups ours)
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Private1 wrote on 12-07-2017 09:53 AM
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Matt wrote on 11-07-2017 06:12 PM
Yes, the referendum was 52/48 but in the 2017 general election, 42.3% voted Conservative and 40% voted Labour. Both parties support Brexit so in our wonderful and fair democracy that's an 82.3% resounding majority.
Of course I don't believe that people who voted for these parties necessarily support Briext, but given that was one of the key issues, they appear to be giving their support.
That's been the problem with the UK's membership of EU for years, successive governments added manifesto support for this treaty or that but nobody took much notice or voted on that basis so we've been sucked further and further towards the Federal States of Eurpoe.
Kensington was a surprise result for a seat which usually votes 50%+ Conservative, but Esher and Walton is around 65% so an even harder majority to overturn which has never come close so far as I know.
Not sure if that's a valid argument.
I voted labour and I still think Brexit is a bad idea.
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danj wrote on 12-07-2017 11:23 AM
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Private1 wrote on 12-07-2017 09:53 AM
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Matt wrote on 11-07-2017 06:12 PM
Yes, the referendum was 52/48 but in the 2017 general election, 42.3% voted Conservative and 40% voted Labour. Both parties support Brexit so in our wonderful and fair democracy that's an 82.3% resounding majority.
Of course I don't believe that people who voted for these parties necessarily support Briext, but given that was one of the key issues, they appear to be giving their support.
That's been the problem with the UK's membership of EU for years, successive governments added manifesto support for this treaty or that but nobody took much notice or voted on that basis so we've been sucked further and further towards the Federal States of Eurpoe.
Kensington was a surprise result for a seat which usually votes 50%+ Conservative, but Esher and Walton is around 65% so an even harder majority to overturn which has never come close so far as I know.
Not sure if that's a valid argument.
I voted labour and I still think Brexit is a bad idea.
Ditto.
65% of labour voters voted remain in the referendum, only 3% less than the Pro-Europe lib dems. so i think this is all a bit of a nonsense.
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