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[Edited by Quin. on 04-09-2017 15:22 PM][Edited by Quin. on 04-09-2017 15:23 PM] Quote:
| ceekay wrote on 04-09-2017 03:13 PM
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| Quin. wrote on 04-09-2017 03:01 PM
Well, it depends on how strong the legal structure is behind our obligations, it is possible that nothing happens. that would then have a knock on effect with future negotiations though I suspect.
For what it's worth I think we could have side by side negotiations also rather than bill then trade, however We have known for ages this is how it would be and then seemingly not being able to deal with that is the issue for me.
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Is there stuff in Europe that we can't get anywhere else in the world?
Yes, I am very much simplifying this.  Basically what exactly is it that they have that we need that we can't just sack them off and go elsewhere?
Other than freedom of movement and expats.
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Over-simplifying it rather than just very much simplifying it TBH. what we need is access to the EU to support our financial services industry rather than actual goods, we can get things from elsewhere but business is what will suffer the most and as a knock on effect tax receipts also.
We need their money more than their potatoes. We are a gross importer rather than exporter, our manufacturing sector has basically flatlined for the best part of 10-15 years, we don't produce enough food to sustain us and our economy is unbalanced towards services and financial industries. If these companies move (which they are starting to) to europe because we don't have full or unfettered access then it will hurt us hard and also europe to a degree because whilst they would like to get some of those companies in their countries London has the whole gamut of services in one place making markets and trade cheaper for all of europe, it could cost more for all of europe (but mostly us) otherwise.
Also buying "stuff" from abroad would involve higher transporting costs and most likely lower quality, even when in Japan recently May was asking for essentially the same deal we have while being part of europe, and she'll be incredibly lucky if we get that.
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| Quin. wrote on 04-09-2017 03:17 PM
Over-simplifying it rather than just very much simplifying it TBH. what we need is access to the EU to support our financial services industry rather than actual goods, we can get things from elsewhere but business is what will suffer the most and as a knock on effect tax receipts also.
We need their money more than their potatoes. We are a gross importer rather than exporter, our manufacturing sector has basically flatlined for the best part of 10-15 years, we don't produce enough food to sustain us and our economy is unbalanced towards services and financial industries. If these companies move (which they are starting to) to europe because we don't have full or unfettered access then it will hurt us hard and also europe to a degree because whilst they would like to get some of those companies in their countries London has the whole gamut of services in one place making markets and trade cheaper for all of europe, it could cost more for all of europe (but mostly us) otherwise.
Also buying "stuff" from abroad would involve higher transporting costs and most likely lower quality, even when in Japan recently May was asking for essentially the same deal we have while being part of europe, and she'll be incredibly lucky if we get that.
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That's sort of my point. We buy a ton of stuff from Europe that we could get cheaper elsewhere but for these agreements in place as part of the EU. We've allowed ourselves to fuck ourselves over in the market but there are another 100 or so other countries that would clamour for our market. Transport costs have been driven down by the open market and if the market for us opens up even wider, that could bring other costs down too.
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[Edited by Quin. on 04-09-2017 16:55 PM] Quote:
| Matt wrote on 04-09-2017 04:24 PM
No, but this mess was coming, sooner or later.
The UK has been holding up ever closer union and The United States of Europe for years; it was just a matter of time before we left.
Why do you think De Gaulle blocked UK membership for so long?
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Because he was a cunt, partially. I'm still surprised and slightly sceptical that all of the countries in the EU actually want "ever closer union", i suspect a number of them or at least their populations would prefer things to have stopped integrating so much about 10 years ago.
*slightly more thought through reply, the europe/EEC that he was dealing with in those days and the EU now are 2 very different beasts and the arguments he made at the time are no longer as valid due to the changes made by the UK to become part of the EU, the world is a very different place and AFAIK Ever closer union wasn't at the heart of the European project at that time.
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but we are "allegedly" such a rich country but seemingly the most expensive too... 
