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No, it's not tied to any legitimate tangible commodity the way that other currencies are.

Saying that though, Sterling's economical strength comes from a mostly service based economic contributor nowadays, however it still has primary and secondary roots to tangible assets (Oil from BP, Gas from NS) etc, highly skilled engineering from RR Trent, Airbus Industrie et al.

Bitcoin, has none of that, just a fancy algorithm to mask its users and prevent easy generation of them, which means it will always be used for 'shady purposes'.

Bitcoin's will continue to increase with an inflated valuation because of its black market inflation until a) regulation is enforced or b) alternative online currencies come about to compete with it, creating a digital currency FX market.



It doesn't make sense...

A friend of mine is very active in the Brixton pound and always tells me about the difficulty to have authorities tolerate the existence of a local currency competing with the British pound. Apparently there have been several local currencies in the past in the UK and they were systematically killed by authorities when they got too successful & too big.

Now we have bitcoins working internationally and Financial authorities let it be !?!?!

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Bitcoin, has none of that, just a fancy algorithm to mask its users and prevent easy generation of them, which means it will always be used for 'shady purposes'.



Then why are the Winklevoss twins setting up a trust fund company based on Bitcoins?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/us-bitcoin-currency-idUSBRE98G0X320130917

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danj wrote on 05-11-2013 10:13 AM

An address is the original string the keys are generated from.

A nonce is just a salt string (additional input value) to add extra security to each generated hash - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography)

Each new unique hash created is created with a random salt string everytime, but from the previous hash value.

The cryptographic algorithm can be reversed to tell what every value was in the history of how the current value was created, but only if you know the algorithm, which is yet to be broken.

Mining coins works by guessing correct values for coins (kind of like guessing a fixed set of 6 lottery numbers you don't know, with enough computing power you'll get it eventually but with bitcoin the possibilities are an infinitely larger pool of possible numbers and once you've guessed one it's only one valid coin, so you move on, you 'mine').



I just knew there'd be a cryptographic algorithm involved at some point. It all makes perfect sense to me now, lol.

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ORBS wrote on 05-11-2013 11:25 AM

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danj wrote on 05-11-2013 09:24 AM

No, it's not tied to any legitimate tangible commodity the way that other currencies are.

Saying that though, Sterling's economical strength comes from a mostly service based economic contributor nowadays, however it still has primary and secondary roots to tangible assets (Oil from BP, Gas from NS) etc, highly skilled engineering from RR Trent, Airbus Industrie et al.

Bitcoin, has none of that, just a fancy algorithm to mask its users and prevent easy generation of them, which means it will always be used for 'shady purposes'.

Bitcoin's will continue to increase with an inflated valuation because of its black market inflation until a) regulation is enforced or b) alternative online currencies come about to compete with it, creating a digital currency FX market.



It doesn't make sense...

A friend of mine is very active in the Brixton pound and always tells me about the difficulty to have authorities tolerate the existence of a local currency competing with the British pound. Apparently there have been several local currencies in the past in the UK and they were systematically killed by authorities when they got too successful & too big.

Now we have bitcoins working internationally and Financial authorities let it be !?!?!



Because it's encrypted.

It won't be long before they try to regulate it, in fact I'm pretty sure they already are, if so they'll probably demand to be handed the algorithms as well as code to run as bitcoin banks.

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Mark. wrote on 05-11-2013 11:49 AM

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danj wrote on 05-11-2013 09:24 AM

Bitcoin, has none of that, just a fancy algorithm to mask its users and prevent easy generation of them, which means it will always be used for 'shady purposes'.



Then why are the Winklevoss twins setting up a trust fund company based on Bitcoins?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/us-bitcoin-currency-idUSBRE98G0X320130917



To make money.

It will never work as a national currency without ties to tangible 'legitimate' (I use this word lightly) commodities / regulation of some sort and/or counter competitive digital currencies, it's just basic economics.

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No, it's not tied to any legitimate tangible commodity the way that other currencies are.



Computing power maybe not be a tangible commodity, but it is a limited resource that has real value. There's also the electricity that the machines run on.

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Sam Spooley wrote on 05-11-2013 12:01 PM

I just knew there'd be a cryptographic algorithm involved at some point. It all makes perfect sense to me now, lol.



Isn't there always?
Them pesky cryptographic algorhithms are always on the periphery, pulling them strings n shit.

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