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robmasterton wrote on 17-08-2005 05:56 PM

2) yes i know, that's what i just said. i also said you can fix this by adjusting the warp in ableton manually so every beat in ableton's engine sits nicely with every beat in your non-digitally timed loop - what you said seemed to imply that ableton did this for you, sorry if that's not what you meant Smile



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i'm not sure if this is any help or if i am just confused as well:

I can speed up loops (and most of my loops are 32 or 64 beats long) without any trouble. I would have thought the technology would be for whole tracks but you still have to make sure that the WAV file starts at the beginning of the track and ends at the track and it is exactly x number of bars long otherwise ableton will have difficaulty guessing how long the track is.

from personal experence: the only problems i've had with ableton not getting tracks in time have been my own fault for not getting clean enough samples (eg the sample was marginally longer than 32 / 64 beats), but then i've not really pushed ableton that hard yet

I've not tried to mix indie with house / techno so i couldnt say if it pushes the drums in sync (though it should always stretch it in time) but im sure that i've read from various sources that it does.
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it probably depends how high in mix the drum is though. As if the drum is subtlely sitting behind the guitars and vocals then ableton may not be able to 'hear' the drums (so to speek) and it will beatmatch the track using other sound sources. However, if the drums over power most other sounds then ableton will use the drums as a source and do the cutting / streching it usually does to push the drums into sync.
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This is more what i've read on techno forums and in DJ magazines than from playing about as i've still not got round to ripping my kaiser chiefs and muse cds yet Black eye

i'm interested to here how you 'warped' your tracks in time as i've not heard that term / technique banded about

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i thought that "warp" was the name that ableton gave to the beatgrid thing - i might be wrong tho! Blush i have tried using ableton for fucking about with loops, which it has done fine with (apart from when my loops aren't clean enough) cept when i have put in long loops of lead stuff from my own productions, which it has had trouble with... when i have tried to use it for djing too by loading whole tracks in, it also seems to have problems... the fastest way i know to get the tracks marked up correctly is to set the bpm in ableton to that of the track and adjust the first marker in the beatgrid/warp to the first beat, and that should get the whole thing *roughly* in time - tho you still have to go thru it all very carefully to make sure it stays in time... there may well be a quicker way, i am not really an expert by any means.

you can stretch all the beat markers/warp in ableton to match the beats in the tune manually, it just takes ages and i am a lazy person which is why i'd love it to be able to do it automatically... you can also do some really cool effects with this eg timestretching minute parts of your loops (just take one of your loops and take the warp markers or whatever they should be called way off the beats to hear what i mean).

this stuff is a bit tricky to explain on a messageboard tho as we seem to be calling the same things different names Wink

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albeton has two modes from what i remember. A sequencer mode and a loopy live thingy. which mode are you using?

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Confused the loop thing - the one with x-many channels going vertically

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i'll have to have another play this weekend.
sounds like you've had much more experence witht he software than me so i'm probably getting my wires crossed somewhere.

if i do find a way aorund your problem then i'll drop you a pm Thumbs up

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