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HarderFaster Forums >> Serious Discussions >> good reasons to hate the tory government Author Pages (18):  « Prev ... «  2  3  4  5  [6]  7  8  9  10  » ... Next »    ceekay venomous fairy Registered: Feb 2010 Posts: 23103 - Threads: 804 Location: In a wide open space [Edited by ceekay on 20-02-2012 15:05 PM] I think the term "work experience" is being confused with "a job". Two different things. There is no reason why one should lead to the other in that company - it's a chance to get to know what it could be like to work there. Those who are being pissy about stacking shelves should then maybe aspire to not do that in future and apply themselves elsewhere - both in life and in the job market. "Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" "I'm not sure that man needs the help." (Calvin & Hobbes) Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:04 PM Coops Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 13481 - Threads: 393 Location: Quote: SleeplessAndy wrote on 20-02-2012 03:03 PM If they don't want to be given shelf-stacking work, which could actually work against them, then they should take the initiative and be proactive in getting work experience that is relevant to them and whatever vocation/career they want to pursue. As you say, many community projhects and charities would take people on to do all sorts. Totally agree. Personally whenever I have been out of work I have found a way of earning my keep, I have done a few shit jobs over the years but in my book there is more respect in that than in going to the Job Centre. Quote: ceekay wrote on 20-02-2012 03:04 PM I think the term "work experience" is being confused with "a job". Two different things. There is no reason why one should lead to the other in that company - it's a chance to get to know what it could be like to work there. Those who are being pissy about stacking shelves should then maybe aspire to not do that in future and apply themselves elsewhere - both in life and in the job market. How much experience do you think you need to become a productive shelf stacker? As soon as the person is proficient at it they are saving the company money and taking work away from other people who are not willing to give their time to a big corporation for no financial reward. As you rightly say there is no reason why the "work experience" should lead to a job. In fact when the suckers time is up I dare say they will be back signing on while Tesco have a new person doing their donkey work at the taxpayers expense. This link hasn't worked in over a year but I'm too lazy to fix my signature http://hub.vc/music/ Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:16 PM Funboy Trev ''Nice one Trev...'' Registered: Jun 2004 Posts: 31841 - Threads: 1310 Location: se9 Quote: Coops wrote on 20-02-2012 02:32 PM Giving people a chance to do meaningful work helping the community would be a fantastic idea. But giving Tesco free labor at the taxpayers expense when then they should be paying staff to stack shelves out of their own vast profits is a terrible idea and I can't believe seemingly intelligent people are defending it. How much do you think your average shelf stacker earns? Would it not be better for the employee and for the economy if Tesco gave the them few extra hours work per week? Or even better Tesco employed extra staff on real wages to stack their shelves? Why should Tesco benefit at the taxpayers expense? People in this country have bitten the evil dole scrounger bait hook line and sinker. But how can it be right that a person is paid their dole money to go work for a company that makes massive profits? It is unfair to those who already work for those companies and it is unfair to us as tax payers. There are enough charities and community projects they could be working on. it's all about perception. you see it as free/cheap labour, i see it as an opportunity for people to get one foot through the door. and like spangle said, it's voluntary. not quite sure what the issue is, as long as each person is considered for a role after they have completed 6 weeks. [Pitch Bend Digital | Inertia Digital] [pitch.bend@live.com | inertia-digital@hotmail.com] Inertia Digital Music on Myspace / Trevor Dans Music on Soundcloud Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:17 PM Coops Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 13481 - Threads: 393 Location: Quote: Funboy Trev wrote on 20-02-2012 03:17 PM it's all about perception. you see it as free/cheap labour, i see it as an opportunity for people to get one foot through the door. and like spangle said, it's voluntary. not quite sure what the issue is, as long as each person is considered for a role after they have completed 6 weeks. The issue as far as I am concerned is that it is taking paid work away from tescos traditional work force. They will be getting free labor at the taxpayers expense. This link hasn't worked in over a year but I'm too lazy to fix my signature http://hub.vc/music/ Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:19 PM Coops Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 13481 - Threads: 393 Location: This link hasn't worked in over a year but I'm too lazy to fix my signature http://hub.vc/music/ Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:21 PM ceekay venomous fairy Registered: Feb 2010 Posts: 23103 - Threads: 804 Location: In a wide open space Quote: Coops wrote on 20-02-2012 03:16 PM How much experience do you think you need to become a productive shelf stacker? As soon as the person is proficient at it they are saving the company money and taking work away from other people who are not willing to give their time to a big corporation for no financial reward. As you rightly say there is no reason why the "work experience" should lead to a job. In fact when the suckers time is up I dare say they will be back signing on while Tesco have a new person doing their donkey work at the taxpayers expense. I'm beginning to think your issue is nothing to do with work experience and everything to do with hating Tesco. You've not mentioned a single other company, but this is at least the 3rd, if not the 4th time you have mentioned them in this thread. And btw, stacking shelves is not just about putting stuff on a shelf. There's actually a little bit of choreography that goes into it - but since it's not something you would probably ever do, I doubt you would know that. Also - not all jobs are shelf stacking, but let's just narrow it down to being a shelf stacker at Tesco, shall we? You make them sound like cunts when actually at least they are doing something productive, getting off their arses, away from Jeremy Kyle and putting a foot on a ladder, as Trev said. "Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" "I'm not sure that man needs the help." (Calvin & Hobbes) Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:21 PM Latex Zebra Registered: Feb 2003 Posts: 8970 - Threads: 218 Location: London 2012 Honourable Mention DJ Winner Flounce Joint Winner Meltdown Winner The Dark Side Quote: Coops wrote on 20-02-2012 03:19 PM The issue as far as I am concerned is that it is taking paid work away from tescos traditional work force. They will be getting free labor at the taxpayers expense. Is that actually happening, is the amount of paid vaccancies at Tesco reducing as a result of this? I think it is fair to say that everyone on the Internet is annoying. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:23 PM Coops Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 13481 - Threads: 393 Location: Quote: ceekay wrote on 20-02-2012 03:21 PM I'm beginning to think your issue is nothing to do with work experience and everything to do with hating Tesco. You've not mentioned a single other company, but this is at least the 3rd, if not the 4th time you have mentioned them in this thread. And btw, stacking shelves is not just about putting stuff on a shelf. There's actually a little bit of choreography that goes into it - but since it's not something you would probably ever do, I doubt you would know that. Also - not all jobs are shelf stacking, but let's just narrow it down to being a shelf stacker at Tesco, shall we? You make them sound like cunts when actually at least they are doing something productive, getting off their arses, away from Jeremy Kyle and putting a foot on a ladder, as Trev said. No if you actually read anything I ever write (which now I come to think of it I doubt you have ever actually done) my issue is with big corporations exploiting the workforce at taxpayers expense under the guise of a back to work scheme. Tesco is just one of the highest profile employers to take up this scheme and is the example first used in this thread and by the media. This link hasn't worked in over a year but I'm too lazy to fix my signature http://hub.vc/music/ Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:25 PM Coops Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 13481 - Threads: 393 Location: Quote: Latex Zebra wrote on 20-02-2012 03:23 PM Is that actually happening, is the amount of paid vaccancies at Tesco reducing as a result of this? Tesco know exactly how many people they need to stack shelves and they have signed up to this scheme for a reason so I would presume so. This link hasn't worked in over a year but I'm too lazy to fix my signature http://hub.vc/music/ Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:27 PM ceekay venomous fairy Registered: Feb 2010 Posts: 23103 - Threads: 804 Location: In a wide open space Quote: Coops wrote on 20-02-2012 03:25 PM No if you actually read anything I ever write (which now I come to think of it I doubt you have ever actually done) my issue is with big corporations exploiting the workforce at taxpayers expense under the guise of a back to work scheme. Tesco is just one of the highest profile employers to take up this scheme and is the example first used in this thread and by the media. I think Tesco is the only example used in this thread. By you anyway. I have read of other places, but not in this thread. Firstly - are they actually exploiting tax payers when we are already paying for those not working whether stack shelves or watch Jeremy Kyle (yes, I have MASSIVE issues with that prick)? Secondly, it's not a "job" - it's "experience". It's 30 hours a week - 6 hours a day - which is basically 9 - 4, taking an hour for lunch into account. Secondly, not EVERYONE is being "forced" into this - it's the long-term unemployed. The benefits of this are a) they get used to working again, b) they actually get something on their CV again, c) interaction with other staff kicks starts their social skills again, which helps with interviews. Many of the longest term unemployed people have not worked because they didn't have to, and now that they are being asked to, they're getting pretty narky about it. Maybe they should spend some time in old age homes listening to the people who practically built this country back up after two world wars tell you how hard it really was before bemoaning getting some help to become a contributing member of society. BLAH BLAH BLAH. Sorry. "Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" "I'm not sure that man needs the help." (Calvin & Hobbes) Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:32 PM Latex Zebra Registered: Feb 2003 Posts: 8970 - Threads: 218 Location: London 2012 Honourable Mention DJ Winner Flounce Joint Winner Meltdown Winner The Dark Side Quote: Coops wrote on 20-02-2012 03:27 PM Tesco know exactly how many people they need to stack shelves and they have signed up to this scheme for a reason so I would presume so. Presume? Oh and Tesco do not know how many people they need to stack shelves etc. According to my Wife it was carnage in Tesco on Sunday as they were woefully understaffed and even managers were jumping on the tills. I think it is fair to say that everyone on the Internet is annoying. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:33 PM Funboy Trev ''Nice one Trev...'' Registered: Jun 2004 Posts: 31841 - Threads: 1310 Location: se9 Quote: Coops wrote on 20-02-2012 03:19 PM The issue as far as I am concerned is that it is taking paid work away from tescos traditional work force. They will be getting free labor at the taxpayers expense. tesco getting free labour is extremely simplified way of looking at it. this is a voluntary scheme. working for such a company, albeit briefly, would give untold confidence to those who actually want to work. it opens doors and gives motivation, purpose and experience. i wouldn't mind my tax contributions going towards that in the slightest [Pitch Bend Digital | Inertia Digital] [pitch.bend@live.com | inertia-digital@hotmail.com] Inertia Digital Music on Myspace / Trevor Dans Music on Soundcloud Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 20-02-2012 15:38 PM All times are GMT. The time now is 17:58:09         Pages (18):  « Prev ... «  2  3  4  5  [6]  7  8  9  10  » ... 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