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Latex Zebra wrote on 05-10-2017 01:28 PM

I hope this leads to loads of infighting and a Tory collapse.
I'll say Boris because I can see him getting turned on. Mind you I can see that regardless. Both Labour and the Tories are struggling to find a real leader.
I don't care how much the socialists suck Corbyn's dick. He is not a realistic prime minister. A good deputy for someone younger perhaps but not an actual leader.



What a frightening image!

Good point about Corbyn being an interesting choice for deputy, bit like Prescott and Brown under Blair. Keep the old school left on side.

It's a sad day when we can't think of a single MP who we could envisage as PM.

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What a frightening image!

Good point about Corbyn being an interesting choice for deputy, bit like Prescott and Brown under Blair. Keep the old school left on side.

It's a sad day when we can't think of a single MP who we could envisage as PM.



I can think of a few for labour but as that isn't imminent i'm happy for them to gain some more experience first. For the Tories it'll need to be someone from the back benches, the whole lot of them are tainted in the same way evette cooper, ed balls etc. were after the brown administration.

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I can think of a few for labour but as that isn't imminent i'm happy for them to gain some more experience first. For the Tories it'll need to be someone from the back benches, the whole lot of them are tainted in the same way evette cooper, ed balls etc. were after the brown administration.



Who from Labour?

One of the problems we have with British politics is that MPs have to toe the line to get into government, even more so as they rise through the ranks, so they never really shine and demonstrate their suitability for leadership.

Compare that to US Presidential elections where candidates have usually served in high office elsewhere - senate, congress, governor - so voters know what they're like.

Actually, that's probably what makes Boris appealing - his time as London Mayor.

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Who from Labour?

One of the problems we have with British politics is that MPs have to toe the line to get into government, even more so as they rise through the ranks, so they never really shine and demonstrate their suitability for leadership.

Compare that to US Presidential elections where candidates have usually served in high office elsewhere - senate, congress, governor - so voters know what they're like.

Actually, that's probably what makes Boris appealing - his time as London Mayor.



Well, Corbyn for starters as things stand he is in the position of being the leader and if the status quo us retained i see him pipping the tories at the nexct election. Keir Starmer is impressing me and I suspect would be able to have a broader appeal to the wider electorate, Angela Rayner has potential but it is early days and at a push Thornberry could do a job. Then there is the right of the party and chuka if he ever fully buries his skeletons



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[Edited by Quin. on 06-10-2017 10:53 AM]

Okay, so Grant Schapps is calling May out. do you think we'll see a leadership challenge ?

The ringleader of a plot to topple Theresa May has broken cover, urging fellow Tories to no longer “bury our heads in the sand” and join the revolt.

Grant Shapps, a former party chairman, said both Remainers and Brexiteers were among about 30 Conservative MPs who believed the Prime Minister’s time was up.

“A growing number of my colleagues realise the solution is not to bury our heads in the sand and hope it will get better,” he said.

“That never worked for Brown or Major and I don’t think it will work out here either.”

Cabinet ministers were among MPs unhappy with Ms May’s leadership in private – and five former Cabinet members want her to fall on her sword, he added.

In one interview, asked if he has spoken to Cabinet members who want the Prime Minister to resign, Mr Shapps replied: “Yes.”

The plotters – thought to number about 30 - had intended to go to Ms May “privately” to persuade her to stand down, but Mr Shapps accused Tory whips of leaking his name to a newspaper, as an organiser.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-plot-tory-mps-grant-shapps-brexiteers-remainers-conservative-cabinet-leader-latest-a7985861.html

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Well, Corbyn for starters as things stand he is in the position of being the leader and if the status quo us retained i see him pipping the tories at the nexct election. Keir Starmer is impressing me and I suspect would be able to have a broader appeal to the wider electorate, Angela Rayner has potential but it is early days and at a push Thornberry could do a job. Then there is the right of the party and chuka if he ever fully buries his skeletons



Chuka Umunna is a good call Thumbs up His Mayoral bid was strange, we never did get to the bottom of his reasons for pulling out, but whatever they were, I suspect that rules him out of running for any significant position. Shame.

Keir Starmer stands out for his rational approach to Brexit, not sure he's leadership material but one to watch.

I haven't followed Rayner or Thornberry, will check those two.

Corbyn is a worry - going by recent performance I agree he is well placed to become PM. But remember the shambles of his first year as leader, supported by Momentum, but opposed by many Labour MPs. Also, remember his long history of defying the whip. I can't see a Labour government with him as PM lasting very long, there are too many different factions and he's so divisive.

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Chuka is my local MP.

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Chuka is my local MP.



Yes, and a friend of Lisa's who told us how good he is hence me checking him out.

Tim's right - if he did stand as leader and PM I think he'd get massive support from across the board.

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Chuka Umunna is a good call Thumbs up His Mayoral bid was strange, we never did get to the bottom of his reasons for pulling out, but whatever they were, I suspect that rules him out of running for any significant position. Shame.

Keir Starmer stands out for his rational approach to Brexit, not sure he's leadership material but one to watch.

I haven't followed Rayner or Thornberry, will check those two.

Corbyn is a worry - going by recent performance I agree he is well placed to become PM. But remember the shambles of his first year as leader, supported by Momentum, but opposed by many Labour MPs. Also, remember his long history of defying the whip. I can't see a Labour government with him as PM lasting very long, there are too many different factions and he's so divisive.



His first year of leader was only so shambolic because of the brexit campaign and MPs who were out of line, currently they are firmly in line, more so than the tories are anyhow. He's earned their silence. That isn't to say it will stay like that but I think there is a fair chance it will.

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If... I say if. Wen they do oust May then you have to wonder what this will do to Brexit.
Given the the two front runners, Johnson and Mogg are both firm outers, you wonder if they will charge through with the hard brexit that lots of people, even leavers, don't want. Or whether they ask for more time and look weaker and weaker to Europe.
So, we either burn our bridges or end up looking toothless.

Funny thing is that if there had been no referendum and we wouldn't be in this position... The most soul destroying thing is that it's that weasley cunt Farrage that takes the blame. A fringe party leader that bullied the Conservatives into the referendum (UKIP wasn't really taking voters from the other parties) and has now helped the Tories implode whilst the party he led is pretty much dead and buried now.


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