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danj
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Ludicrous or not it is what it is and it won't change, this is our act of self-harming, not theirs.
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No this is mutual-harm.
We started the process, for what I still feel to be some valid reasons, although nowhere near all.
The EU set the negotiating position, god knows why we agreed to it.
I'm still keeping fingers crossed for a Gordon Brown game changer, and looking back, that is often the way the EU operates.
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I'm pretty certain for an 11th hour 'Gordon Brown game changer', after all the last thing the EU wants or needs whether it likes it or not is to lose 25% of its GDP, population, defence etc etc etc.
I just, don't want to be in the country to have to ride the wave of shit that's going to come to everybody for the next 5 years, heck I'm a contractor, instability in any market is bad news for me, the Brexit vote last year was just the tip of the iceberg.
I need security now, not to say I won't come back to the UK but as it stands I'm going to be better off on the continent until the dust settles.
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I'm pretty certain for an 11th hour 'Gordon Brown game changer', after all the last thing the EU wants or needs whether it likes it or not is to lose 25% of its GDP, population, defence etc etc etc.
I just, don't want to be in the country to have to ride the wave of shit that's going to come to everybody for the next 5 years, heck I'm a contractor, instability in any market is bad news for me, the Brexit vote last year was just the tip of the iceberg.
I need security now, not to say I won't come back to the UK but as it stands I'm going to be better off on the continent until the dust settles.
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Gordon Brown's game changer will only result from compromise on both sides, either the UK won't leave the EU after a breakthrough deal which warrants a second referendum, or we'll get an EEA free trade deal.
Both satisfy the questions of the Irish border, payments and trade which are key for all concerned and will avoid the shit.
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Hmm, this news from Nov 15th:
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| The number of EU nationals working in the UK has reached a record level, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.
An estimated 2.38 million employees began work between July and September this year - a rise of 112,000 compared with 2016 and the highest number since records began 20 years ago.
However, the number of working non-EU nationals in the UK has fallen.
It is the first clear quarterly comparison since the EU referendum.
The immigration lobby group, Migration Watch UK, said the figures proved the UK would be able to maintain its appeal to EU citizens after Brexit.
It said fears of an exodus of EU workers were "nonsense".
Matt Hughes, a senior ONS statistician, said: "The number of non-UK nationals in work is still rising, albeit more slowly than in the last couple of years.
"However, this is being driven by EU citizens. The number of non-EU nationals working in the UK has fallen in the last year."
Much of the increase has been driven by workers from the newer EU states, such as Romania and Bulgaria - which joined the EU in 2007.
The UK now employs 347,000 nationals from these two countries - a 90,000 increase compared with the same time last year. |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41999561
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This looks interesting. A potential game-changer, although they're focussing on immigration which, as we've seen, is harming the British economy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/20/stop-brexit-happening-german-business-leaders-tell-eu/
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| A group of German business leaders and politicians has called for the European Union to persuade Britain to reverse Brexit by offering a comprehensive deal on immigration and free movement.
Under the slogan “Exit from Brexit: a new deal for Britain and the EU”, the group of seven influential figures warned that Germany must do more to prevent losing “its most valuable partner within the EU”.
“Basically, we want the EU to offer the deal David Cameron was looking for before the referendum,” Hans-Olaf Henkel, a senior German MEP and one of the leaders of the initiative said.
“We want to offer Britain the right to stop people who have no jobs entering the country and entering its social welfare system.”
Mr Henkel said the aim of the initiative was to stop Brexit from happening, but he was also prepared to push for a better deal if Britain decides to leave.
“If Brexit does go ahead, I would be happy if this initiative leads to a better deal,” he said. “For me, a bad deal is the worst possible outcome. The best is to stop Brexit, but second best is a good deal.”
The move came with Brexit talks deadlocked and Germany plunged in crisis following the breakdown of Angela Merkel’s talks to form a new coalition.
“The collapse of talks could help if we can persuade one of the parties to adopt this as policy,” Mr Henkel said.
For now, the initiative has no party backing. Mr Henkel is joined by two former heads of the BDI, Germany’s equivalent of the CBI, and Hans-Werner Sinn, one of Germany’s leading economists.
“The EU’s unwillingness to curtail the social inclusion principle for EU migrants, as demanded by Prime Minister Cameron, has contributed to the disastrous Brexit decision for Europe,” Prof Sinn said. “There is much to suggest that Cameron was right with his request.”
Prof Sinn said benefits should be paid by EU citizens’ home countries even if they moved to another member state.
“It wasn’t only Britain deciding to leave the EU, it was the EU which decided to leave Britain,” Mr Henkel said.
“We need Britain as a counterweight to Juncker and Barnier, and the people who want a ’United States of Europe’. We don’t want that: we want an EU of sovereign nations.” |
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Maybe the rocky road to Brexit with NHS staffing issues and other similar reports will convince the anti-immigration brigade that migration is essential 
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