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[Edited by Matt on 20-11-2017 15:16 PM]

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Quin. wrote on 20-11-2017 10:22 AM

Hard to say, but i reckon aren't going to get any change of position during any new election and polling suggests they'll come back with roughly the same results as last time. I expect they'll just leave the parameters as they are while they deal with their internal mess.



Yeah, a stable Germany under Merkel is good for Europe and EU unity.

But the current mess means Merkel has to focus on her survival at home.

And as you say, there's no reason to think another election will give vastly different results, if anything it favours the far right AFP party who went from 0 to 94 seats, 13%.

Since Merkel can't change anything at home, I'm putting a left-field thought out that she could raise her profile and standing by changing things in Europe whilst appealing to the right. For example, what if she considered the UK position on immigration? Came up with a new deal which wasn't conceivable when Cameron went cap in hand to Brussels, and moved the goal posts far enough to justify a second referendum in the UK?

Coupled with ongoing disastrous news from the negotiations and the EU's trademark of concessions at the 11th hour that might fit Gordon Brown's "game changer".

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Doh! I saw that and forgot to post - what a lovely farce!



I can't understand how they didn't see this problem coming, it is yet another self-inflicted problem by this government.



Worker shortages are going to affect many industries.

Migrant labour shortage leaves fruit rotting on UK farms

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Yeah, a stable Germany under Merkel is good for Europe and EU unity.

But the current mess means Merkel has to focus on her survival at home.

And as you say, there's no reason to think another election will give vastly different results, if anything it favours the far right AFP party who went from 0 to 94 seats, 13%.

Since Merkel can't change anything at home, I'm putting a left-field thought out that she could raise her profile and standing by changing things in Europe whilst appealing to the right. For example, what if she considered the UK position on immigration? Came up with a new deal which wasn't conceivable when Cameron went cap in hand to Brussels, and moved the goal posts far enough to justify a second referendum in the UK?

Coupled with ongoing disastrous news from the negotiations and the EU's trademark concessions at the 11th hour that would fit Gordon Brown's "game changer".

Scratches Chin

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I don't know, you've got the greens looking for those asylum seekers who have been accepted to be able to bring in their close family and I'm not sure how that would pan out with them, they were also going to be needed for the coalition. I don't know enough about the AFP, where they stand on nationalistic business protectionism, it may play more into our hands, it may be less.

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We ARE going to lose our passporting rights for banks:

British banks will lose "passporting rights" to do business in the European Union after Brexit, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator has said.

Speaking in Brussels on Monday Michel Barnier said that "Brexit means Brexit, everywhere" and that there could be no opt-ins to parts of the single market for certain industries.

“On financial services, UK voices suggest that Brexit does not mean Brexit. Brexit means Brexit, everywhere,” Mr Barnier said in a major speech to a think-tank.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-passporting-rights-banks-financial-services-michel-barnier-speech-talks-david-davis-a8064836.html

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Doh! What a twat.

In a single stroke Barnier has just ensured there will be no more money offered and we're rapidly heading towards "no deal".

Financial services is key to the trade talks, no financial passports, no deal. And why is he meddling with any potential trade deal, I thought we weren't far enough down the line for that?

I wonder if this is his doing, or more likely he's been told to Scratches Chin

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"So we lose financial services.

That accounts for one in every ten pounds the government collects in tax.

And it accounts for £60 bn in export revenue.

We will also lose automotive manufacturing, that will go because it cannot function with complex supply chains through a customs barrier.

Ditto aerospace and most other manufacturing, just as Prof Patrick Minford of Economists for Brexit said it would, "just like coal and steel".

Farming and food production will face 40% import tariffs on exports to the EU, so they will stop and the farmers will go bust.

Far from being "project fear", hard brexit will be "terror reality".

It is now clear that hard brexit is economic suicide."

Sums it up pretty precisely.



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Quote:
Quin. wrote on 20-11-2017 12:01 PM

We ARE going to lose our passporting rights for banks:

British banks will lose "passporting rights" to do business in the European Union after Brexit, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator has said.

Speaking in Brussels on Monday Michel Barnier said that "Brexit means Brexit, everywhere" and that there could be no opt-ins to parts of the single market for certain industries.

“On financial services, UK voices suggest that Brexit does not mean Brexit. Brexit means Brexit, everywhere,” Mr Barnier said in a major speech to a think-tank.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-passporting-rights-banks-financial-services-michel-barnier-speech-talks-david-davis-a8064836.html

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Doh! What a t**t.

In a single stroke Barnier has just ensured there will be no more money offered and we're rapidly heading towards "no deal".

Financial services is key to the trade talks, no financial passports, no deal. And why is he meddling with any potential trade deal, I thought we weren't far enough down the line for that?

I wonder if this is his doing, or more likely he's been told to Scratches Chin



We should have been negotiating trade deal 'talks' long before that backbone-less pig fucker's cowardly referendum call on independence from the EU was made.

Fucking prick you are Cameron, I sincerely can't wait for the day that karma fucks you in the slowest and most horrific way possible, the same way you've fucked our country.

Fucking, cunt.



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Quin. wrote on 20-11-2017 01:17 PM

I can't understand how they didn't see this problem coming, it is yet another self-inflicted problem by this government.



Worker shortages are going to affect many industries.

Migrant labour shortage leaves fruit rotting on UK farms



I don't suppose they predicted the UK employment rate would be so high Scratches Chin

I can't read the story about water, just the headline "Migrant labour shortage leaves fruit rotting on UK farms" but the first point answers the second.

It's a complete fallacy to think we won't have migration, be that from the EU or worldwide.

A myth in the Brexit campaign, one of many, told by both sides.




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Private1 wrote on 20-11-2017 01:26 PM

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Quin. wrote on 20-11-2017 01:17 PM

I can't understand how they didn't see this problem coming, it is yet another self-inflicted problem by this government.



Worker shortages are going to affect many industries.

Migrant labour shortage leaves fruit rotting on UK farms



I don't suppose they predicted the UK employment rate would be so high Scratches Chin

I can't read the story about water, just the headline "Migrant labour shortage leaves fruit rotting on UK farms" but the first point answers the second.

It's a complete fallacy to think we won't have migration, be that from the EU or worldwide.

A myth in the Brexit campaign, one of many, told by both sides.






Yet you voted to leave based on some of these, fallacies Scratches Chin



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