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Reverse Swing
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voodoobass wrote on 24-10-2016 05:57 PM

The vote is always going to be 48/52 or 49/51 if you allow people only two choices. You have only to look at the US election results for the last few presidentials to see proof of that. This is actually why I am very worried about the way UK politics is playing out at the moment as IMO after the disasterous (for LibDem) coalition, the media is doing its' utmost to create a paradigm where we become a true 2-party state like the USA. Corbyn may seem like an ideal person to vote for but I am worried that he has been placed where he is in order to soak up the remaining LD votors who are disappointed with Clegg's LD and also to have a go at bringing a lot of Green voters back to Labour.

You'll find that out of all the people that voted 'Remain' that many of them are actually not happy with the EU and only voted 'Remain' because they don't like Tory/UKIP's policies beyond the 'get out of Europe' thing or are foolish enough to think that they can change the EU if we stay in it. And many people did vote 'Leave' as a protest against Austerity, because they think (right or wrong) that the EU is the cause of much of the austerity ill suffered by the UK, although that is by the by.



The EU is a bankrupt ideology. You make it sound like EU/EZ is a prosperous economy.

If the 23rd June vote was to join the EU, no one would join the EU in it's current state. massive unemployment, negative bond yields, negative interest rates, a currency that is torpedoed by QE, Banks on the verge of collapse, and your Nazi gun toting leader Merkal - who as part of Nato - bombed the living daylights out of Syria and then wondered why she had to accept 1 Million refuges without a single VETO among EU leaders?

The real enemy of the UK is not rouge states and their warped ideology, or Russia who were British allies in WW1 and WW2, it is Europe. Thrice Europe has tried to destroy the UK, and thrice UK has fought for it's sovereignty.

Save the EU propaganda.

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Reverse Swing wrote on 24-10-2016 08:08 PM

The EU is a bankrupt ideology. You make it sound like EU/EZ is a prosperous economy.

If the 23rd June vote was to join the EU, no one would join the EU in it's current state. massive unemployment, negative bond yields, negative interest rates, a currency that is torpedoed by QE, Banks on the verge of collapse, and your Nazi gun toting leader Merkal - who as part of Nato - bombed the living daylights out of Syria and then wondered why she had to accept 1 Million refuges without a single VETO among EU leaders?

The real enemy of the UK is not rouge states and their warped ideology, or Russia who were British allies in WW1 and WW2, it is Europe. Thrice Europe has tried to destroy the UK, and thrice UK has fought for it's sovereignty.

Save the EU propaganda.



Now get muslim out of your head, because this is driving your hopes and dreams, which banks are 'on the verge of collapse'?, or should we all just believe you?

Nothing on the news sites. Which banks are on the verge of collapse Ziad?

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Fucking muppet.

Hot religious air.

Nothing else.

Die as your isis is.

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Yes Aaron, leader of the Children of Israel, brother of Moses, as hard as it is to believe, White Anglo Saxons have caused more damaged, bloodshed, and harm to the UK than any other non-white folk, religious or not religious.

Thank Islam, bow to your ONE God, for it was not for the FEAR of Islam in the UK in the past decade, the impetus behind the Leave campaign would not exist.


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Reverse Swing wrote on 24-10-2016 08:08 PM

The EU is a bankrupt ideology. You make it sound like EU/EZ is a prosperous economy.

If the 23rd June vote was to join the EU, no one would join the EU in it's current state. massive unemployment, negative bond yields, negative interest rates, a currency that is torpedoed by QE, Banks on the verge of collapse, and your Nazi gun toting leader Merkal - who as part of Nato - bombed the living daylights out of Syria and then wondered why she had to accept 1 Million refuges without a single VETO among EU leaders?

The real enemy of the UK is not rouge states and their warped ideology, or Russia who were British allies in WW1 and WW2, it is Europe. Thrice Europe has tried to destroy the UK, and thrice UK has fought for it's sovereignty.

Save the EU propaganda.



You are misunderstanding me. I am trying to say the vote for 'leave' might have been even bigger were it not for left-wing eurosceptics (such as myself) distaste for allowing the entire process to be organised and overseen by the Tories and/or UKIP
I say eurosceptic not hardcore Brexiteer as I think there are certain advantages to the union as it was in the late 90s but I am firmly against the overexpansion and superfederalisation that subsequently occured.


[edit] in fact you're not even misunderstanding me, you clearly didn't even read my post :/



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Reverse Swing wrote on 24-10-2016 07:56 PM

I got news for you, MPs should be fulfilling the will of the people, and not their own agendas, meaning, Democracy is the biggest mandate. As for having a different leader, we live in a Parliament democracy where our elected MPs choose a leader, which is a sure lot better than the 5 EU leaders that are truly un-elected by every stretch of the imagination that practically rule the EU – the irony.



I was just having some fun. Bragging rights and all. If you noticed I called myself a ‘Brexorcist’. Don’t take it too personally. If you perceive my comments as an insult then I really am lost for words.



Campaigns were misleading? How?

In a true democracy the most number of votes wins. This is what the UK (and Western world) take pride in, Democracy. Whether slim majority, or a land slide, Leave won and the UK is pulling out of the EU. Accept this fact and move on.

Speaking of which, if a Football match in the EPL ends in a draw, should there be a rematch? Forget a slim margin, there is no margin!



I understand how the electoral system works, but I also think that it is flawed. The tories didn't get voted in with May in charge of us leaving the European Union. The vote to leave didn't give any indication as to the manner in which we would do so and how our relationship with the EU would look after.

Do you really think that the campaigns were not misleading?
I am amazed, still I guess you will be looking forward to the £350 billion we will now be spending on the NHS.




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There was plenty of lies from both sides,more so the Remain campaign with their backup of USA bank funds and their constant onslaught of doom and gloom.The EU is in no great shape,most countries are still getting over the 2008 recession,unemployment levels are very high,in Greece 23% even France has 11%,the Italian banks are practically bankrupt as is Deutch Bank.
The leavers as we are told were generally older voters who were well aware of what they were voting for and have seen the sh**t hit the fan on more occasions than I care to mention.Most of the Remainers were the young still likely influenced by their lecturers,teachers and peer pressure,or they were Londoners dependant on the flawed casino banking system or they were Scottish who would prefur to be ruled by an undemocratic EU parliament than connected to the UK.

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5709 wrote on 24-10-2016 08:14 PM

F*****g muppet.

Hot religious air.

Nothing else.

Die as your isis is.

Bye.

Waves





You are the only person talking religion. Stop being a fucking bigot.

"Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?"
"I'm not sure that man needs the help." (Calvin & Hobbes)

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Coops wrote on 24-10-2016 10:37 PM

I understand how the electoral system works, but I also think that it is flawed. The tories didn't get voted in with May in charge of us leaving the European Union. The vote to leave didn't give any indication as to the manner in which we would do so and how our relationship with the EU would look after.



Why would the Government admit there was a plan for Brexit before the vote? It would've decimated Remain chances because it would've looked like the Government was preparing for a Brexit.

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Do you really think that the campaigns were not misleading?
I am amazed, still I guess you will be looking forward to the £350 billion we will now be spending on the NHS.



All political campaigns are misleading, that’s Politics for you. To suggest the Leave campaign were lying exclusively is misleading itself. Politicians lie and spin – this is hardly news. Remain were lying too.

It was £350 Million not Billion, and no doubt the NHS will receive an injection of cash in the future, but you know what, if you feel that one NHS lie swung it for Leave, then you were not following the campaign. Leave was leading in a number of polls BEFORE the NHS claim.

Anyway, if the NHS is so important and influential to the electorate, then Labour should be in power considering they thrust the NHS in every Election campaign but still end up losing.


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