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[Edited by voodoobass on 24-10-2016 18:34 PM]

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But that isn't trickily true in this case is it?
The ballot was for staying or leaving and it was incredibly close.




The vote is always going to be 48/52 or 49/51 if you allow people only two choices. You have only to look at the US election results for the last few presidentials to see proof of that. This is actually why I am very worried about the way UK politics is playing out at the moment as IMO after the disasterous (for LibDem) coalition, the media is doing its' utmost to create a paradigm where we become a true 2-party state like the USA. Corbyn may seem like an ideal person to vote for but I am worried that he has been placed where he is in order to soak up the remaining LD votors who are disappointed with Clegg's LD and also to have a go at bringing a lot of Green voters back to Labour.

You'll find that out of all the people that voted 'Remain' that many of them are actually not happy with the EU and only voted 'Remain' because they don't like Tory/UKIP's policies beyond the 'get out of Europe' thing or are foolish enough to think that they can change the EU if we stay in it. And many people did vote 'Leave' as a protest against Austerity, because they think (right or wrong) that the EU is the cause of much of the austerity ill suffered by the UK, although that is by the by.


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The vote is always going to be 48/52 or 49/51 if you allow people only two choices.



That's just nonsense, it could be 100/0, or 99/1.



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The vote is always going to be 48/52 or 49/51 if you allow people only two choices.



That's just nonsense, it could be 100/0, or 99/1.






Not really. If something is that cut and dried it wouldn't go to election/referendum in the first place.



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Coops wrote on 24-10-2016 05:14 PM

But that isn't trickily true in this case is it?
The ballot was for staying or leaving and it was incredibly close. So that would indicate that a lot of people still want close ties to the EU.



The Tories have a slim majority in Parliament following GE 2015 – should we have a re-election because the Tories' majority is paper thin in Parliment?

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BTW Remoaners is not a word, I think you meant, 'people who voted not to leave'.

Just goes to show how clued up the masses are.



Brexcorsists won. Also, you mean “People who voted to stay.” (Not, voting to not leave.)

Did you not read the ballot paper? Just wondering how clued up you are.

At the end of the day there is only one winner and that is democracy. Stop crying excuses because the result didn’t go your way.

The way I see it, Remoaners now have two choices. 1] Graciously accept defeat and let democracy prevail. 2] Promote the rise of Right-wing/Fascist politics in the UK, for the next generation.



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The Tories have a slim majority in Parliament following GE 2015 – should we have a re-election because the Tories' majority is paper thin in Parliment?



Brexcorsists won. Also, you mean “People who voted to stay.” (Not, voting to not leave.)

Did you not read the ballot paper? Just wondering how clued up you are.

At the end of the day there is only one winner and that is democracy. Stop crying excuses because the result didn’t go your way.

The way I see it, Remoaners now have two choices. 1] Graciously accept defeat and let democracy prevail. 2] Promote the rise of Right-wing/Fascist politics in the UK, for the next generation.



Yes we should. Tthe Tories got in with the slimiest of majorities and a different leader, they are now proceeding with policies that were not in their manifesto. They have no mandate to govern.

I do think that when people use words like "remoaners" it shows a lack of intelligence. Can you not debate a point without resulting to a cheap tabloid insult?

The majority was extremely slim. The campaigns were misleading. The consequences are major.

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Not really. If something is that cut and dried it wouldn't go to election/referendum in the first place.



Not true. That would imply presumption on a government.

Show me a government that would say we're not going to do a vote because we presume it will end this way.

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Not true. That would imply presumption on a government.

Show me a government that would say we're not going to do a vote because we presume it will end this way.



Show me a government that regularly does referendums.


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voodoobass wrote on 24-10-2016 07:29 PM

Show me a government that regularly does referendums.



That's not your point we are discussing my friend.

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[Edited by Reverse Swing on 24-10-2016 20:15 PM]

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Coops wrote on 24-10-2016 07:00 PM

Yes we should. Tthe Tories got in with the slimiest of majorities and a different leader, they are now proceeding with policies that were not in their manifesto. They have no mandate to govern.



I got news for you, MPs should be fulfilling the will of the people, and not their own agendas, meaning, Democracy is the biggest mandate. As for having a different leader, we live in a Parliament democracy where our elected MPs choose a leader, which is a sure lot better than the 5 EU leaders that are truly un-elected by every stretch of the imagination that practically rule the EU – the irony.

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I do think that when people use words like "remoaners" it shows a lack of intelligence. Can you not debate a point without resulting to a cheap tabloid insult?



I was just having some fun. Bragging rights and all. If you noticed I called myself a ‘Brexorcist’. Don’t take it too personally. If you perceive my comments as an insult then I really am lost for words.

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The majority was extremely slim. The campaigns were misleading. The consequences are major.



Campaigns were misleading? How?

In a true democracy the most number of votes wins. This is what the UK (and Western world) take pride in, Democracy. Whether slim majority, or a land slide, Leave won and the UK is pulling out of the EU. Accept this fact and move on.

Speaking of which, if a Football match in the EPL ends in a draw, should there be a rematch? Forget a slim margin, there is no margin!


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voodoobass wrote on 24-10-2016 07:29 PM

Show me a government that regularly does referendums.



Switzerland.

Look it up.

A real democracy. Their government FEAR the Swiss people because the Swiss people can legally force a referendum based on a number of signatures on a public PETITION! No parliament vote needed etc!

Cannot believe you are crying rivers over true democracy.

PS: The EU referendum, was the 3rd in all of UK's history. Hardly regular.

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