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voodoobass
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[Edited by voodoobass on 20-08-2012 14:10 PM][Edited by voodoobass on 20-08-2012 14:11 PM] Quote:
| Kes wrote on 20-08-2012 02:02 PM
Really? My living costs make up maybe 60% of my salary, and my wages are nothing special.
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well... I haven't worked in London for a while but when I was, I had s**t disposable income... apart from one job I had where I was on a pretty decent wage for my age for like 3 years, Student Loan and overdraft repayments, travelcard, rent, bills, suit dry cleaning, contact lenses etc etc - not one for living beyond my means, but after all that and food every day I didn't have anything left at the end of the week for saving and s**t.
I suppose if I had a partner I coulda shacked up and saved half my rent but I never really fancied the idea of moving in with someone as a moneysaver. In fact even if I did live with someone I'd need my own studio/office room anyway.
Also, I live in the Westcountry and down here wages are much much lower despite food and rent being quite expensive. Food is as (sometimes more) costly than in London, rent is about the same...
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| voodoobass wrote on 20-08-2012 01:59 PM
The thing is, right, ever since the end of WWII and probably before, we've been told that one day, work will be optional. The whole idea of, say, the automatic washing machine, was not to emancipate women so they could go work in an office, it was supposed to mean they could have more leisure time so they could bake and hang around the house in lacy panties waiting for husband to come home.
There is actually no reason WHY everyone needs a job. It actually does cost less to stay at home, tbh if you're not facing a 1:30 commute to and home from work, you don't even need to eat as much. These days the majority of money people earn basically goes right back into feeding themselves, clothing themselves and transporting themselves to an office, where they spend all day long pissing around on HF and FB calling people without jobs 'lazy', 'feckless' and all manner of similar epithets.
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I don't recall work being optional, rather we'd be looking at a 4 or 3 day working week and have more leisure time. Instead we seem to be working harder and harder.
People do need work, it provides a sense of purpose and discipline which keeps society together. Just look at how people view the unemployed.
Agree about commuting, with modern technology and telecoms we should be able to work in local serviced offices, alongside our neighbours and spending money at our local shops and businesses. I'd hate to commute each way, in packed and expensive trains. Far too stressful all round.
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[Edited by ceekay on 20-08-2012 14:40 PM] Quote:
| voodoobass wrote on 20-08-2012 01:59 PM
The thing is, right, ever since the end of WWII and probably before, we've been told that one day, work will be optional. The whole idea of, say, the automatic washing machine, was not to emancipate women so they could go work in an office, it was supposed to mean they could have more leisure time so they could bake and hang around the house in lacy panties waiting for husband to come home.
There is actually no reason WHY everyone needs a job. It actually does cost less to stay at home, tbh if you're not facing a 1:30 commute to and home from work, you don't even need to eat as much. These days the majority of money people earn basically goes right back into feeding themselves, clothing themselves and transporting themselves to an office, where they spend all day long pissing around on HF and FB calling people without jobs 'lazy', 'feckless' and all manner of similar epithets.
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Yeah, you see if it wasn't for taxpayers, there wouldn't be money for people to sit on the dole all their lives with f**k all inclination to contribute to society themselves. I can understand people falling on hard times but when you abuse the system, like one or two on here, and have zero intention of getting off your a**e and getting a job and supporting yourself, then I have no qualms in calling you a lazy c**t.  So I'm pretty sure you will understand why people get pissy when about 25% of their salary in the average scales goes on tax and NI to support those who feel they are entitled to sit on their a*s and watch daytime telly all week long. And why people who achieve something get pissy about getting hit with even higher tax to support said lazy bums who in turn sneer and resent them whilst not doing anything to further or better themselves.
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[Edited by voodoobass on 20-08-2012 16:59 PM] Quote:
| ceekay wrote on 20-08-2012 02:39 PM
Yeah, you see if it wasn't for taxpayers, there wouldn't be money for people to sit on the dole all their lives with f**k all inclination to contribute to society themselves. I can understand people falling on hard times but when you abuse the system, like one or two on here, and have zero intention of getting off your a**e and getting a job and supporting yourself, then I have no qualms in calling you a lazy c**t. So I'm pretty sure you will understand why people get pissy when about 25% of their salary in the average scales goes on tax and NI to support those who feel they are entitled to sit on their a*s and watch daytime telly all week long. And why people who achieve something get pissy about getting hit with even higher tax to support said lazy bums who in turn sneer and resent them whilst not doing anything to further or better themselves.
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Goes back to what I said before about work, not a job. People need a 'life's work', a vocation. One you know what it is you want to do and you start doing it, it's easy, but I think unfortunately the state school system in this country encourages mediocrity. Obviously some schools are better than others, but still. Of course, parents are more responsible for how their kids turn out than the school system but when you have several generations of mediocrity under the same roof, is it any wonder that people are getting generally more feckless as time passes? Yes, there are a fair few idlers but I can't help feeling that the media-fuelled wrath is all part of a greater obfuscation of the real issues.
I'd also like to mention DMX in this as I remember a while ago many many forum members ripped on him for sitting on the dole for a while and refusing to do work that he thought would be pointless or a hinderance. He was roundly condemned at the time and now he's probably in the top 10% of HF/former HF member earners, so I think it is fair to say that sometimes refusal of a shitty McJob can be justified.
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